This video shows that Reddit refused to delete all comments and posts of its users when they close their account via a CCPA / GDPR request.

This is absolutely insane, and shows that companies OWN you.

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[–] 18 points 3 years ago (25 children)

I think the only solution currently is to use something like Redact to mass edit your posts and comments to remove the data that you have input into the site. Reddit lives or dies on the information that users post/comment on it.

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  • [–] [S] 25 points 3 years ago (10 children)

    I personally believe that reddit is the type of company to save the orginal post and revert it just out of spite

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  • [–] 10 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    i wouldnt put that sort of crap past a pedophile like Spez

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    This honestly is much worse than twitter, because atleast with twitter, I didnt see them doing this typa shit

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  • [–] 10 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    The difference is that Musk doesn't have the knowledge and skill to do it.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 3 years ago

    I personally doubt that.

    Musk might not have his own personal knowledge. But this is violating a law in California in which the person in this video seems to in California.

    Plus reddit seems to based in California.

    This goes behind being a scumbag, and into the territory of ignoring the CCPA.

    This is magnitudes worse than simply being a greedy capitalist.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    I personally believe that reddit is the type of company to save the orginal post and revert it just out of spite

    They have been reverting them. I've been observing it in action my my Reddit account as I delete things. Even old posts that I recall deleting years ago (like random things on r/Hearthstone after I stopped playing Blizzard games) have been making a return over the past month. I've been going in and doing batches of edits to my post history every few days, and editing it differently. From ten years ago to now, I've had posts re-appearing and the edits getting un-edited.

    Wild.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago* (2 children)

    I've been going in and doing batches of edits to my post history every few days, and editing it differently. From ten years ago to now, I've had posts re-appearing and the edits getting un-edited.

    Are you absolutely certain? I just as well might not bother with the mass edit then.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

    The issue there isn't that Reddit stores the edit history (that would be too much storage space), but that it doesn't apply the edit at all and just pretends to if it you recently edited something else. You need to wait after each edit for your next edit to go through.

    I had success with this Power Delete Suite fork, which waits for 5 seconds after each edit.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago

    They probably do have copies of deleted posts/comments, also copies of the original for edits. I don’t know of a single company that easily allows users to “really” delete something.

    Database backups cannot easily be edited, for example.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago

    It feels like even that wouldn't work if they can just restore stuff but I don't know. Editing the comments before deleting would be a good idea though. If they just restore your stuff the last time it was up then all the comments would be useless.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    Does Reddit save edit history?

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  • [–] 7 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    Word is that they don't, deletes are soft-deletes but edits aren't so reversible.

    In this specific case it looks like it might just be that specific sub being private on the day he deleted, https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/99466/Reddit-violates-CCPA#entry-comment-406442

    Watching the video i see him deleting from 11 months ago to 12 years ago. But don't see the specific 3 year old posts on r/javascript. Which would be consistent with not being able to see them due to the sub being private.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago

    I was able to delete all my posts/comments without issue (My reddit username is different from this one fyi).

    As you stated, the subreddit could gave been private. He also may have been viewing a stale cache.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    How do you know they don't keep post revisions too? It's trivial to implement and probably not much more data.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 3 years ago (2 children)
  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    That's my point. I doubt altering comments would have any advantage over deleting them. You just hide what you wrote from other peasants but not from Reddit.

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  • [–] 17 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Sign me up for the class action. I was thinking of just spinning up a selenium script because I’ve tried using one of the bots to delete post history before, and it didn’t work, so I was assuming the API was resisting. Disappointing to see that even clicking through everything doesn’t work reliably.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago

    That would be my suggestion as well. There's a chance that all reddit users will be part of the class, but there's also a chance that only users who attempted to delete data or request that data be deleted will be part of the class.

    Attempt to edit and/or delete a few of your comments at the very least and prepare for the class action lawsuit. It'll probably take a couple years, but there's no way that some law firm isn't already looking into it and gearing up to start the process. There's a particular law firm that I follow that has gotten some really good settlements from social media companies such as this one against facebook. I would believe that if anyone decides to take on a data privacy issue against a large social media company, it would be them.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Not only do they refuse to delete your comments, they do it in such an underhanded way - quietly restoring everything after showing the user that the deletion was successful. For me personally, this is even worse than the whole killing 3rd party apps thing.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago

    Ah, well, that's what they are used to. All that obscurity in recommendations, weird way comment scores change over time (bots they don't fight or their own messing), weird way those affect karma, inconsistent application of rules, and so on.

    Social media mods like obscurity which is alone a sufficient reason not to use that crap.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 years ago (8 children)

    Un-deleting deleted comments is certainly sleazy, but I didn't realize it was illegal.

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    Under the CCPA you own your data. That data should be deleted under request.

    Same thing with the European GPDR

    You can request your data too (like on discord)

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    It depends. If undeleted comments included your personal data, like IP address, home adress or your real name, it certainly is illegal

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Is it just me or is there an unethical way to try and entrap reddit here by posting your real name, deleting the post, and seeing what happens?

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago

    This feels like something that ought be reported to the EDPS. I’m sure they’ll be thrilled that an American company is holding user PII hostage.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Time to Europeans to take action!

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago

    Apparently, this was not actually Reddit restoring the comments, but rather privated subs being made public and therefore giving the illusion that reddit had restored everything on their account. Though it is dumb that you cannot access or delete content that you made on a sub that is private.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago

    Will this realistically go anywhere? I have a strange feeling that this’ll just get swept under the rug. I hope it doesn’t turn out like that. Ideally, I’ll like to see some charges/legal proceedings brought up right ahead of their IPO.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

    The Reddit User Agreement Section 5 clearly states that you own your data:

    You retain any ownership rights you have in Your Content

    So you could try to use that argument to get what you want.

    The agreement also continues to say you grant them a license to use this content which can not be taken away. But I would argue that if you decide to remove your content then there is nothing to license away. In other words the license is still there but the content is gone.

    Of course that's just my personal interpretation. Law is a fucked up thing that doesn't follow any logic. If you're lucky your country/state might have laws that work on your favour.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago*

    Not surprising. That's the stuff their after anyway. Im trying to cut myself from this type of thing, as much as possible for sure.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago*

    So what's the penalty for violating the CCPA?

    BTW CCPA != GDPR. They do similar things but are for different jurisdictions. If they openly break GDPR the EU will basically maul them, I imagine.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago

    It doesn't show that Reddit owns you. It shows that we can majorly stick it to Reddit by reporting them to the appropriate agencies. A GDPR violation fine will hurt them badly

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