97
submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

We are reading Volumes 1, 2, and 3 in one year. This will repeat yearly until communism is achieved. (Volume IV, often published under the title Theories of Surplus Value, will not be included, but comrades are welcome to set up other bookclubs.) This works out to about 6½ pages a day for a year, 46 pages a week.

I'll post the readings at the start of each week and @mention anybody interested.

Week 1, Jan 1-7, we are reading Volume 1, Chapter 1 'The Commodity'

Discuss the week's reading in the comments.

Use any translation/edition you like. Marxists.org has the Moore and Aveling translation in various file formats including epub and PDF: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/

Ben Fowkes translation, PDF: http://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=9C4A100BD61BB2DB9BE26773E4DBC5D

AernaLingus says: I noticed that the linked copy of the Fowkes translation doesn't have bookmarks, so I took the liberty of adding them myself. You can either download my version with the bookmarks added, or if you're a bit paranoid (can't blame ya) and don't mind some light command line work you can use the same simple script that I did with my formatted plaintext bookmarks to take the PDF from libgen and add the bookmarks yourself.


Resources

(These are not expected reading, these are here to help you if you so choose)


@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected]

(page 3) 50 comments
sorted by: hot top new old
[-] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

I had forgotten that Chapter 1 Section 3 is the worst thing ever written

[-] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

"Use values cannot confront each other as commodities, unless the useful labour embodied in them is qualitatively different in each of them."

Is there any use in thinking about commodities with overlapping use values, (like gold and silver) as in the same category but with different qualities? Or should I just think about them as different commodities all together? Does it even matter either way?

[-] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Gold and silver are qualitatively different and that's that. They require different amounts of labor to produce (and perhaps method, idk) and they have different uses. For example, the James Webb space telescope has gold-plated mirrors — silver has different chemical properties and would not satisfy the same function.

Whether something is a use value, or is not, is determined by whether it is consumed and therefore reproduced with regularity by an established industry.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (2 replies)
[-] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

Section 1 exercise suggestion: Draw a diagram of some kind (Venn, mind map, chaos dragon, etc.) that contains at least the information in the last paragraph of the section. For example, the circles of a Venn diagram could be labeled "use value", "has value", and "commodity".

[-] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

hi! If I'm anticipating being strapped for time, is this version still sufficient?

https://www.marxists.org/archive/ruhle/1939/capital.htm

As much as I love theory, my eyes 100% glaze over when it comes to dead people arguing minutae with other dead people, and examples based on 150 year old economies and statistics. If the Moore and Aveling translation is definitively better than that's the one I'll read but I know I'll fall off at 50 pages a week cuz I have other book clubs too

[-] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

Why not just read that yourself? Or set up another thread.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

I recommend either reading Marx directly or reading a more modern summaries like those from Heinrich or Michael Roberts.

Now is a really good time to read Marx directly because you can discuss it with other hexbears in the same situation!

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

When I state that coats or boots stand in a relation to linen, because it is the universal incarnation of abstract human labor, the absurdity of the statement is self-evident. Nevertheless, when the producers of coats and boots compare those articles with linen, or, what is the same thing with gold or silver, as the universal equivalent, they express the relation between their own private labor and the collective labor of society in the same absurd form.

<.<

Am I right in thinking he's describing what "producers" are doing to society and how they're implicitly framing commodity relationships in liberal society? I know LVT was more popular amongst lib economists back then

[-] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Marx highlights this as "absurd" in order to acknowledge that the reader might think Marx has lost his mind when he claims that society does all these crazy mental gymnastics in order to produce. He's saying, "Yes, it is crazy, but it actually works this way."

it's "absurd" because we go through this ridiculous Rube Goldberg of an economic system just to "intelligently" distribute the total social labor. And to be seen, in order for some people to live off of the work of others.

load more comments (3 replies)
[-] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

This a channel I found last year while going through Capital, www.youtube.com/@DissidentTheory/. I think it might be useful for some people.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Alright, finished the reading on Saturday afternoon. I read some Prefaces as well, so had extra to

I think this is a good pace. We just keep plodding til the end of the year.

If you've made it this far you are 2.18% of the way through the 3-volume work, and 5.5% of the way through Volume 1.


Marx repeats himself a lot to drive home the point. The chapter is really simple enough, the ideas in it are simple but my word he does go on. The idea is that

                             LABOUR                            COMMODITY
 Abstract & quantitative:  'Socially-necessary labour time'    Value 
 Specific & qualitative:    Weaving, roofing, whatever         Use-value

Commodities can be exchanged for each other at equivalent values. Same socially-necessary labour time: same value. That's simple.

load more comments
view more: ‹ prev next ›
this post was submitted on 01 Jan 2024
97 points (100.0% liked)

theory

770 readers
21 users here now

A community for in-depth discussion of books, posts that are better suited for [email protected] will be removed.

The hexbear rules against sectarian posts or comments will be strictly enforced here.

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS