As a Finn I say this is fine. Every military resource that is tied down and not raping and destroying Ukraine is net positive.

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[–] 100 points 2 years ago* (14 children)

Having to constantly communicate in abusive opposite-world ideas must be tiring. The notion that NATO is out to invade Russia or something is one of the most ridiculous things I've heard.

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  • [–] 26 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    I've heard arguments from sarcasmitron on YouTube that Putin actually believes his own lies. Putin is terrified that the CIA actually caused color revolutions in the 2000's and 2010's, and after the pro-constitution/anti-election-fraud protests in Russia in 2011, he's been fighting against "the shadowy hand of the gay nazi west" ever since.

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    [–] 77 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    >Be Putin
    >Announce NATO expansion is no threat
    >Pull most troops from the Finnish border, because holy fuck, Ukraine has turned the entire army you had at the start into sunflower fertalizer
    >Have all the units you pulled from the Finnish border incur astronomical losses, because you want to present any win at the next election
    >Declare Finland a threat again
    >Move the broken units back up to the border
    >Profit

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Is Putin really that weak domestically to care about elections?

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  • [–] 48 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    His greatest political opponent just "went missing" (from the prison he was being held in) and "nobody knows where he is now." Russians have been watching their population get ground into meat by what he originally called "a military exercise" that's been going on over six times the time estimate that he set, and he's actively making it so nobody can leave Russia without smuggling themselves out.

    He wouldn't still hold office if he was playing fairly, so yes, he is that weak domestically. Get fucked, Vladolf Putler.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago

    Don’t forget the oligarchs can no longer live the lives they did. Obviously they are complicit with the war but that doesn’t change the fact that there are those that would turn against him if the right opportunity presented itself

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  • [–] 49 points 2 years ago (16 children)

    Finland is NATO. He'll NEVER invade Finland. Have fun dividing up your oh so great, properly trained and well equipped army haha! Not like he'll need the troops in Ukraine, that war is going as smooth AF.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    I feel like he's doing this just to threaten the troops on the front line with somewhere colder

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Loads of forest up north. I'd prefer a camp fire over gunfire. Just make sure to bring your own axe.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Finns camp in such conditions voluntarily. Russians probably do too, lol. In fact, many Russians in that particular area of Russia are a lot more like Finns than they are like Russians. In fact, they are being repressed, and their language and culture is being systematically erased. If we are playing by Russian rules, this means Finland just has to step in, to uphold the human rights of the Finnic peoples living in this area.

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    [–] 48 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    According to the Russian president, Finland was “dragged” into Nato.

    And who did the dragging Vlady?

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  • [–] 48 points 2 years ago (39 children)

    My perspective on war is so corrupted, at this point.

    At one hand I want peace in Europe but on the other Hand I know Russia won't stop until they are beaten so getting NATO involved might end this conflict faster.

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  • [–] 29 points 2 years ago (23 children)

    I've wanted to fight Russia since they annexed Crimea. I knew it wouldn't end there, and I was proven right. If they manage to obtain the natural resources of Ukraine then it will just keep escalating. The thing is, though, Russia has lost so many troops that they could easily be swept, right now. Now has never been a better time for either the EU or NATO to force Russia into demilitarization and reparations, as well as putting more economic pressure on the Chinese Dictatorship.

    One thing I don't want, though, is a direct conflict with China. Those fuckers need to try fixing their own shit, first. Idk if that makes me strong against the weak and weak against the strong, but there is simply too much to lose for all sides in that sort of conflict, unlike the very weakened and destabilized Russia.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    It's really disappointing, isn't it? Putin has been given every opportunity to stop the invasion or not even start it in the first place, and in ways that would help him save face. He's rejected all of that and insists on only violence. The only response to that is returning the violence. Defending Ukraine is the most unquestionably morally correct military action I've seen in my life.

    It also brings up an interesting observation -- to have a peaceful society, you have to be willing to violently defend it. If another party insists you give into their demands or they'll get violent, you have to eventually oppose them. Otherwise, if you constantly submit to them in the name of peace, they'll eventually take away your peace. Just like a tolerant society must reject intolerant views, a peaceful society must be willing to defend themselves in war.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago

    If it weren't for the existence of Russia's massive fleet of nuclear weapons (which probably don't actually work but it's a hell of a risk) i'm sure NATO would have already got involved.

    The only reasonable way I can see this war ending is if the internal politics of Russia decide Putin is now too much of a problem and deal with him themselves. Then whoever takes charge backs out of Ukraine because it's not a winnable conflict.

    I can't see how anyone external can bring about an end to the conflict without risking massive escalation.

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    [–] 28 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Oh you're gonna move your last three tanks there? Good luck with that venture lmao

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  • [–] 25 points 2 years ago

    What military? Drunk old men?

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago* (4 children)

    Forget article 5, if Russia thinks that Ukrainians are tough mothers, they (literally) won't know what hit them in Finland.

    Thick, dense forests with millions of trees. Moutainous regions. Snow forever. Lots of places a sniper pair could hide.

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    [–] 16 points 2 years ago (15 children)

    Moving to open a second front. In the winter. At the home of the White Death. Surely nothing can possibly go wrong with this plan.

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    [–] 14 points 2 years ago

    it's just a sneaky little recruitment campaign.. sign up now boys, we're forming a nice leisurely unit to sit and watch the Finns do nothing.. don't worry, we won't accidentally send you to die like worms in a ditch in Ukraine..

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago

    Let me guess, another "training exercise"?

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago

    Did they forget that Finland created Simo Heyha?

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    I was worried about this ever since Putin said "we have no plans of the sort" when Biden said Putin would invade a NATO country after Ukraine.

    Lo and behold, troop build up on a border of a NATO country, which completely parallels the start of the Ukraine invasion.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago

    I highly doubt those troops are for invading Finland. If there's any NATO country that should be worried it's probably Estonia. Especially if/when Trump gets elected president again.

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    [–] 12 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I guess this is classic troop rotation shenanigans?

    Instead of rotating towards areas near Moscow, rotating towards St. Petersburg gives soldiers a break/training while pressuring Finland.

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    [–] 11 points 2 years ago

    There's too much mud and rain in Ukraine right now, so they need an excuse to pull back

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    If NATO get involved then China will.

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