If you've ever used Windows 11, it's no secret that the OS prioritizes Edge over competing browsers. But Mozilla doesn't think you should settle for a lack of choice. In fact, it's accusing Windows of being full of dark patterns and harmful design techniques that force you toward Microsoft's browser.

Mozilla reps tell me they've met with Microsoft about their concerns, but that the company wasn't responsive. "They'll do the minimum the law requires to respect user choice," explains Kush Amlani, Mozilla's counsel overseeing global competition and regulatory work. Mozilla isn’t the only browser maker criticizing Microsoft, either. Vivaldi lead Jon Stephenson von Tetzsner told me he switched to Linux because Microsoft’s OS is so obnoxious. (I reached out to Microsoft for this story, but it declined to comment.)

As someone who's been using and writing about Windows for many years, I increasingly agree with the above sentiments. I'm sick of all the ways Windows 11 tries to get me to use Edge, so I can't imagine how annoyed more casual users of the OS feel.

Europe Proves Microsoft Can Be Forced to Change

Mozilla recently marked 100 days since it released an 87-page report detailing the ways in which Microsoft pushes Edge on Windows PCs. The organization says Microsoft isn't living up to the "principled approach to app pinning and browser defaults" it promised to abide by in 2023. One example is how Windows often displays a “Let’s finish setting up your PC” pop-up after an OS update. This screen has an enabled-by-default option to “use recommended browser settings,” which makes Edge the default web browser.

However, that screen doesn't appear in Europe. European laws now force Microsoft to make Windows more respectful of user choices.

For instance, in European countries, the Start menu opens links in your default web browser rather than in Edge, as it does everywhere else. Amlani says Mozilla wants Microsoft to release the European version of Windows to the rest of the world. However, he thinks this will require government action. As he puts it, "Microsoft can do better when it's forced."

Beyond government action, Mozilla wants to see the public pressure Microsoft to change its tactics, pointing out that recent changes specifically address user feedback. The company is no doubt aware that many other Windows users dislike the way Windows promotes the Edge browser, but the dissatisfaction clearly hasn't been loud enough.

Mozilla argues that Microsoft's tactics are actively hurting its users. "A lot of ordinary people don't necessarily notice that their browser has been switched," claims Amlani. He says the company hears from Firefox users who are confused about why their bookmarks have vanished after Windows changed their default browser to Edge, for example.

Microsoft Isn't the Only One Trapping You in an Ecosystem

Microsoft isn’t uniquely hostile to user choice. For instance, Apple’s iOS doesn’t let you install true third-party browsers in most of the world; competing apps all still use Safari under the hood. Users, again, have more choice in Europe, where laws force Apple to allow fully alternative browsers. Google’s ChromeOS and Googlebook OS also rely heavily on Chrome. In other words, both Apple and Google go far beyond what Microsoft is doing on Windows to favor their own browsers.

Mozilla acknowledges that it has concerns about large tech companies beyond Microsoft. "They want to steer you to their own search engines, their own applications, and then create this closed ecosystem,” says Mozilla's Ajit Varma, head of Firefox.

Even I'm Exhausted by Edge's Encroachments

Windows 11's constant attempts to make me use Edge are beyond frustrating because I genuinely want to like the OS. I’ve previously written about wanting Microsoft to roll out Windows 11's user-friendly European customizations everywhere, and I fully stand by that. Microsoft has moderated Edge's presence in a few other ways, but these efforts don't go nearly far enough.

It's a shame that something as basic as choosing a default browser is at odds with most tech companies' desires to dictate the software you use. These organizations will always prioritize profits, and pushing their products is one way to ensure that. With Windows as the desktop OS market share leader, Microsoft is potentially under more pressure to appear neutral than Apple and Google, but none of these companies should have such anti-consumer policies.

Mozilla Has Motives, Too—But It's Still Right

Of course, Mozilla has a financial interest in competing with Edge on Windows. Recent annual reports show the Mozilla Foundation earns more than $600 million per year in revenue, most of which comes from Google paying to be the default search engine in Firefox. Although Mozilla is attempting to diversify its revenue with products like the Firefox VPN, the company’s income largely depends on its contracts with Google. These agreements are confidential, but I'd bet that Mozilla can likely negotiate higher payments from Google if Firefox has more active users.

I understand that both Mozilla and Microsoft are large organizations pursuing their business incentives, but I still side with the former here. If the only way Microsoft can get people to use Edge is by forcing or tricking them, it really needs to build a better browser that more people prefer. I've gotten good enough at thwarting these shenanigans, but no one should have to fight their OS this hard on something as simple as a browser preference.

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[–] 5 points 1 day ago (1 child)

The year is 2026. Computer users are still "fighting" Microsoft. Battered person syndrome.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 day ago

    Ai ass title

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  • [–] 7 points 1 day ago* (6 children)

    Because giving the user any choice is bad for business. They removed the cosign to move your start menu and it took years for them to even contemplate putting it back in which they didn't.

    Microsoft has windows 10 iso available for download, I installed it with my wifi card pulled out of my computer, no internet access given, it still installed windows dogshit (11).

    They want to force any and all to use it.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago (5 children)

    No fucking way it installed Windows 11, that's diabolical

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  • [–] 4 points 1 day ago* (4 children)

    Shit you not, I was super excited and happy that they still offered windows 10 as a free download, did all the shit to my spare flash drive, only to get windows 11. Debian and Ubuntu didn't work on my desktop 🫪

    I want to download windows 10 again from the windows site and try again at some point but I feel like it's just gonna do the same.

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  • [–] 37 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    and its absolutely right

    Are you fucking kidding me? M$ has been doing this literally for decades now. IIRC, they pulled this shit pre-2000 and pinky promised to never do it again and then just went on because they don't give a shit

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  • [–] 5 points 1 day ago

    I don't think Mozilla said Microsoft started doing this right now. I mean Mozilla is right about the allegations (or better yet: "evidence"). What's wrong fighting against it, even if its late? Better late than never.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 day ago

    Microsoft has been doing this since the invention of the PC. Janet Reno laid the smackdown on them for it back in the 90s but in the lawless world we live in now, no one does anything about it.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 day ago (4 children)

    Don't use windows, problem solved.

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    [–] 5 points 1 day ago

    I remember when the EU made it so you didn’t have to get Windows 10 with the media player bundle, but then I had to install it to play Metal Gear Solid 5 anyway.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 day ago* (22 children)

    I’m calling Mozilla for forcing AI to users and it’s shady fucking data selling business practices since the leadership change.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 day ago (16 children)

    I’m calling Mozilla for forcing AI to users

    This is false information. It's not forced, as you can disable it in the settings. And there is a kill switch for Ai, so that any new Ai functionality is disabled by default. Mozilla is not forcing Ai to the users at all.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 day ago (15 children)

    It would be great if ai off was the default, but I definitely appreciate have the option to turn that crap off.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago (14 children)

    Yes it would be better, but it is literally a toggle off for everything Ai related. And it won't add new Ai tools without your knowledge, because this is disabled for the future too. Not a big deal.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 day ago (4 children)

    How can you force something onto users while also offering a really easy way to disable it?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago* (3 children)

    How can you force users to use Edge while also offering a really easy way to use something else?

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  • [–] 1 point 21 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

    This isn't even remotely comparable. Firefox's "AI features" are bloat and should be offered as extensions (if at all) and not part of the browser but they aren't "forcing" users to use them. They're just optional features the user is allowed to make use of. They don't do anything unless the user opts to use them, and they can be toggled off completely in settings.

    Whereas not only is it impossible (or at least designed to be impossible) to actually remove Edge, outside of the European region version Windows actually will always open Edge for certain links (notably those from the news widget in the taskbar) and it's not only impossible to configure this from Windows but Microsoft has shipped updates specifically to block third-party apps that work around it. This is aside from the various dark patterns encouraging users to switch back to Edge as the default browser.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago

    Windows didnt always have an easy way to change the default browser

    From my knowledge, you cannot easily uninstall microsoft edge

    I have also heard that sometimes edge is reset to being the default browser, but havent experienced this myself (influenced by the fact that i havent used windows in years)

    Other than that, edge isnt really forced on windows users; if it was, it would be the most used browser on desktop

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  • [–] 6 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    There was a period of time when Windows had to offer the choice of browser on first start or use. It would present a list of browsers and then automatically download and install it as default on selection. This made people aware of choice and alternatives, if they cared to. When did Microsoft remove this functionality? I thought they were forced to do this.When was it? During Windows 7 or 10? I don't remember details...

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago

    I distinctly remember seeing this popup when installing Windows 10, not sure if I remember it when I was installing Windows 11 tho, I think maybe they did some dark pattern shit where they shove edge in your face front and center but there's some tiny button somewhere where you can maybe configure another browser as the default.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 day ago

    Convince IT to let us use Firefox. They are so far up Microsoft’s ass they are still forcing copilot into everything.

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