Why? (thelemmy.club)
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[–] 2 points 1 hour ago

Because then they couldn't sell you a new one for $15 every 3 months.

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  • [–] 1 point 49 minutes ago

    The only time I've had a frayed USB cable was from when I'd be rotting in bed on my phone with it plugged in. Cutting that down solved that problem. These days it feels like it's the connector itself that needs to be meticulously cleaned and cared for because they only work for a few hundred cycles.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 hours ago (4 children)

    I use these on all my cables both ends. This cable is 5 years old and still strong. Costed me 1 rupee per piece. Got a pack of 100 for 100rs (~1 us dollar)

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  • [–] 4 points 3 hours ago* (3 children)

    I know what I'm gonna buy later (assuming a USB-C version exists).

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  • [–] 13 points 8 hours ago

    I have Sennheiser HD 280 headphones. They have a telephone cord for a wire. So good. So worth it. Cable still going strong after 6 years. And get this... when it breaks? I can replace it. They make spare parts. Saved me a ton of money in the long run

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  • [–] 28 points 14 hours ago (8 children)

    FYI:

    Greenpeace pressured apple to stop using PVC in their plastics around 2007

    Apple realised they could gain PR while making more money by having customers needing to rebuy new cables.

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  • [–] 16 points 11 hours ago (1 child)

    You don't need PVC to create durable cabling.

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  • [–] 12 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

    And give up the opportunity to get applause for planned obedience? That is not how you capitalism.

    Its quite telling that ever since apple got forced to use usb-c the quality of their cables made a huge leap. It’s almost like the availability of competing cables is good for innovation or something.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 hours ago (5 children)

    Whats the matter with PVC specifically?

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  • [–] 4 points 9 hours ago (4 children)

    Supposedly greenpeace calls it “the poison plastic” and “the most enviromentally damaging plastic”

    Gonna have to ask them for their scientific sources.

    Personally i think plastics are fine if the product is actually durable. I take good care of my things. My 15 year old ipad mini is practically mint and if it wasnt for “making it more enviromental” i would still be using its original cable also.

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  • [–] 1 point 52 minutes ago (1 child)

    Personally i think plastics are fine if the product is actually durable

    My problem is this just kicks the can down the road. Some day, no matter what, that plastic is becoming waste. Maybe it gets recycled, but most likely, it doesn't. If it doesn't need to be plastic, it should not be plastic. Questioning if it'll last long enough is just asking if it can last long enough to be someone else's problem.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 minutes ago*

    Definitely a good point if if doesn’t actually need to be plastic, i highly prefer natural materials overall. But thats not always practical.

    I dont get the “someone elses problem” though. If the item is still perfectly usable then why would the next owner not also just want to use it? I personally value a hand me down that “served” my family for ages over “new thing”

    If it is broken then it can get a new life by getting recycled.

    Under current consumerism the pattern is that shit breaks and you buy it new, which causes us to psychologicly devalue the item (and thus materials) as it ages, i believe this is why so many plastics end up non recycled.

    If items where durable, reliable, repairable. People will be more capable to perceive their value and be more concious about what happens to it after it breaks because losing it will hurt. Not quite like but somewhat similar to how we care about what happens to remains after death.

    Also things being repairable increases the awareness of the materials because your working with them.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 hours ago (1 child)

    This is the paradox. I still have old cables from 20+ years ago, the new stuff degrades. At least the woven/braided cables seem like they might last longer.

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  • [–] 51 points 17 hours ago* (8 children)

    Well, think of the data transfer rates. One carries voice, which can be in the kb/s

    A lightning cable can carry a few gb/s.

    All this extra data weighs down the cable, causing it to fail sooner.

    You can solve this problem by switching to light-weight data, or by simply filling your cable with helium to counteract the extra weight!

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  • [–] 7 points 6 hours ago (4 children)

    extra data weighs down the cable

    Does it really? I get that you're taking the piss, and it won't have any significant or even perceptible impact, but seriously does it?

    Like it exists, right? I might just be tweaking here.

    I'm gonna end up full Steve here if i think about it much longer

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  • [–] 2 points 1 hour ago

    The data exists as electricity, and while electrons have mass, there's always going to be roughly the same number of electrons in the cable. They're flowing in a loop across the cable, so more electrons aren't needed for more data. It's the pattern they move in that carries the data (kinda).

    At least that's my simplistic view of it. There's probably some technicalities I'm glossing over, but I think the point stands that a cable carrying more data isn't heavier due to that data.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 hour ago

    There is a weight associated with the electrons needed to convey information, but it's negligible.

    Beyond that though, we're not actually so interested in moving the electrons, but in toggling the electric field. Most of the electrons in the wire stay in the wire, and any that leave are balanced by another coming in on the other end. Electrons can move between the atoms, but if your cable is actually changing the number then something has gone wrong, since laptops don't typically ionize copper.

    It's a pretty straightforward calculation, since amperage is the number of electrons per second, and the cables has a well documented signaling rate.
    It works out to a bit weighing about 2x10^-22 grams for a USB cable.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 hour ago*

    Data is essentially just fancy electric current. Current doesn't really 'flow' so much as propogate a wave similar to a newtons cradle desk toy. A physicist might chime in on this, but no, I don't think data being transmitted actually weighs anything.

    Unless you factor in the interaction between any induction effects and the earths magnetic field. But it's beyond negligible.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 hours ago

    It's only 4 wires, only 2 of which carry data. A 6ft cable transferring at a max usb speed of 80gb/s moving at the slow end of signal propagation through copper of .5c would have less than a kilobyte on it at any time.

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