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[–] 3 points 29 minutes ago

If I could make 70% as much in a different field, I would have switched by now.

I no longer enjoy my field as a profession. There is no "solving" anything anymore, it's just prompting a bot and building tools that make it better and better at replacing me. But the reality is, without pursuing a masters in a different field, this is the most money I can make for the lowest amount of work. The field is dying and in the mean time we're taking home standard salaries.

Personally I'm pursuing a fintech specialty since IMO specializing is our last hope to survive the AI destruction. But I don't enjoy it.

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  • [–] 1 point 52 minutes ago

    I'd say tech workers in general are not doing okay. I quit my sysadmin job 3 years ago and have been desperately trying to switch careers.

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  • [–] 29 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (5 children)

    Really?

    Because nearly each time I point out that software has been getting so bad that I legitimately can't go more than 1 day without wild bugs in everyday software that was fine 6 years ago, I'm surrounded by 17 AI bros screeching about how "umm actually I'm way more productive and AI has found 6,500 issues in this code and that's great!"

    Yea what's not great is when they use AI to "patch" the vulnerabilities.

    You ever try to go back in basically any industry and figure out what the fuck the last person at a job site did?

    Now imagine that, except instead of intuitively being able to figure some things out because human thought is at least a base to start from, you have no fucking clue what the AI was thinking.

    AI is also a massive shortcut that tugs your dick anytime you use it.

    Humans can't be trusted to not optimize every little thing, and AI is taking advantage of that.

    I genuinely pine for a time when it was hand coded and I'm tired of pretending this is better

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  • [–] 6 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

    Thing is, the ones who use ai to code large segments of code, don't usually know how it works in sufficient detail. Even the block diagram is done by ai with little oversight. The fix is simply to ask the ai to do over.

    I ask the bizfolks: would YOU allow a guy in a suit with no prior engineering knowledge, but with an ai design the structural elements for a bridge for thousands of vehicles a day? So why would you allow that when developing software that is critical for handling your enterprise data and finances?

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  • [–] 1 point 34 minutes ago

    I ask the bizfolks: would YOU allow a guy in a suit with no prior engineering knowledge, but with an ai design the structural elements for a bridge for thousands of vehicles a day?

    They would allow it. The difference is that our societies decided that liability for builders of bridges is a sensible thing and nonnegotiable, but for reasons unknown to me you can release any piece of crappy software to the public without any liability whatsoever as long as you tack on it some terms and conditions that absolve you of warranty and liability. This is unthinkable with all other commodities. When it comes to software, the people in charge turn off their brains.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 hour ago

    I ask the bizfolks: would YOU allow a guy in a suit with no prior engineering knowledge, but with an ai design the structural elements for a bridge for thousands of vehicles a day?

    For less money in less time with no liability? Yes, without hesitation.

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  • [–] [S] 10 points 4 hours ago (1 child)

    I feel like this is the difference between the people who became developers for the craft and developers who became one just for the job

    If you're just doing it as a job, you tend to just want to get stuff done, as long as it works

    If you became one for the art of the craft, you now feel the things described in the post. You don't create anymore, you just delegate and code review. The LLM code might even be perfectly fine. But you don't create, and it's just tiring

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  • [–] 2 points 2 hours ago

    Exactly.

    And it's not just programming, it's in every career, artistry, journalism, etc.

    When barriers are extremely low, one side effect is you no longer have the passionate people as easily rise to the top.

    You have a shit load of people with surface level or worse understandings of things in charge.

    See the following:

    Parts of Hollywood from studios to directors, nepotism and mbas nearly ruined cinema.

    Gaming companies often sell out to go public or allow themselves to be bought by soulless corps, this often but not always goes very very wrong.

    The music industry is RIFE with plants, nepotism, and absolute garbage music.

    Now programming is opened to the masses.

    And you even have people like Linus Torvalds taking what I think is a stance that likely makes sense for him, but is such a damning thing to openly say because people take Torvalds use of AI as a blanket "look he uses it so it must be ok" where there is SO much nuance.

    I miss times before AI lol

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  • [–] 88 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (20 children)

    I considered killing myself last night. I self-harmed for the first time in many years. My company advertised remote work. I asked if I could move far away from Tokyo and sure, no problem. I got told if RTO, then it would be close and new people only. I got permission to run a side job doing a small farm. Sure no problem.

    I've been in this industry for 20+ years now.

    Mandatory return to office (I live 4 hours each way). They pay transportation expenses per month at a level that wouldn't cover one day. If you're nice and apply, we MAY approve (for three months only) 2 days a week required in the office. No guarantee it will be approved. I joined a union to fight this but it's slow. They will likely still try to fire me.

    I have a mortgage. I got a subsidy to move to this small town, that many in Japan provide, but it must be paid back if leaving within 5 years. I also am a registered farmer with farm land which means I legally have to maintain it properly.

    Yesterday, they said no more side job is allowed. So I'm not allowed to sell anything I grow anymore, have to close my self-proprietorship, and have to close my company (which has tax impacts on me because now nothing counts as expenses and I lose my ability to do special tax forms). They apparently want food to rot. They want me to rot. The farm was not even yet at a point to make me money. They falsely claimed I got subsidies for farming (I did not and do not) and that it's no longer just selling extra produce (it still is) and is a full-scale farming operation (it is not). My sales were like 10k yen last year and maybe will get to that this year.

    My wife does not work. There are few jobs out here. No remote jobs in the US or Canada are responding and few would even allow Japan time zone even with overlap. Remote jobs for a backend engineer (primarily golang lately with very rusty Java somewhere in my brain unused for many years) are basically non-existent. I've applied for jobs in the EEA but, as a non-EEA-citizen, I can basically go fuck myself. My body is way too messed up (multiple broken bones, back issues, etc.) for any really hard manual labor.

    So I lose my job, I lose my income, I lose the house, I will never get another mortgage in Japan again, there's no point to being alive. My wife's birthday is coming up, which is basically what stopped me. She'll have a better life without me and at least the house will get paid off so she can do whatever with it.

    Living in an apartment in Tokyo would also violate the terms of my mortgage making me lose it (on top of losing a huge chunk of my paycheck) and would also make it impossible to keep up with farm maintenance, let alone the rest of the house and property.

    I am fine for now. Just not sure I'll survive any future attacks from my company. Thanks for the kind words.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 hour ago

    Lawyer up. Meanwhile, just keep doing what you're doing. I refuse to believe living on a farm counts as a side job, especially since it's not for meaningful profit, especially since it's not the same line of work.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 hour ago

    Wow, I'm so angry for you. But your wife would not be happy to lose you, so don't tell yourself you'd be doing her a favor by dying.

    It sounds like you're in an impossible situation, and it truly is a bind, but have you explored whether you have any legal recourse? Your company set you up to fail by making promises they didn't keep. Do you have those promises in writing? Emails, texts, contract terms, anything?

    Is your wife Japanese? If so, she can help you communicate with a lawyer. I know Japanese law is very neoliberal and pro-corporation, but this seems like exceptional circumstances so it would be worth at least looking into.

    In any case, breathe. Whatever comes, you still need oxygen.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 hours ago

    I'm sorry for your situation. Other comments have pointed out that legally you don't have to comply with the "no side job" bs, so i agree to keep proceeding with it, and if they try to fire you, bring in the lawyers.

    On another note, stories like yours are why I want to watch the entire system burn, using executives as fuel for the fire.

    Better to resist and flip the bird to these asshats rather than comply in advance.

    Good luck to you, keep fighting, and never give up, if only to spite the bastards

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  • [–] 10 points 5 hours ago

    I wish I could help more, but the old "side jobs are forbidden" being in the company handbook is legally flimsy, if not completely unenforceable. Just because your company says so, or it's in your contact doesn't actually make it legal.

    The MHLW states that it actually has to provably interfere with your job in some way. The hours outside your day job are your own, not your companies. Don't close your kojinjigyo and just submit your own tax adjustment every year. Unless you're making lots of money your HR won't even know.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 hours ago

    People have already given you good advice, so I'll give you a less than stellar advice: don't become statistics, every year lots of people kill themselves due to their work or die of overworking in Japan and nobody gives a fuck. You're not the wrong person here, so why would you suffer by yourself? If you're fucked either way and has nothing else to lose, do something real about it. I saw your comments about getting sued, does it matter? Bro, you were considering taking your own life, justice matters more. If you think you still have shit to lose, then don't even entertain taking your own life.

    With your backend skills in golang, is there any business you can start on your own? Do you guys have savings that would allow you to live for a while without your main work? Don't give up, bro. As long as there's still some alternatives, keep going. And, please, if you and your wife truly do love each other, go talk to her about this.

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  • [–] 19 points 9 hours ago

    I’m nobody in your story, but you’re now somebody in mine, because this is so relatable. I can only commiserate with you, but I can’t fully understand the stress you must be under. My employer is doing much the same, and it breaks my heart how many people around the world are or are about to be in similar situations.

    The crushing weight of executives not giving a fuck about the harm they are causing is both enraging and deeply saddening.

    But what makes life worth living is a moving target. I have, a few times, seen no light in the dark. But then, somehow I crawl back out and see all the reasons I still want to be here. I hope you find a way to okay. If nothing else, “I want to watch it all go down. I want to see the world give way.”

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  • [–] 9 points 9 hours ago (6 children)

    Contact some social media ppl (like https://m.youtube.com/@AbroadinJapan) and publicly shame your company, they broke their agreements. They lied. It's not you that is at fault, so it's not you that should suffer.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 hours ago (4 children)

    My family gets sued. AboardInJapan would also get sued which is why no news orgs ever pick this stuff up.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 hours ago

    Can lawyer do nothing for you? Or some sort of NGO?

    Can you do hidden audio recordings in Japan? Record them admitting that they promised one thing and are doing another. Take the recordings to a lawyer.

    I'm sorry, I wish I had some smarter ideas.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 hours ago (2 children)

    Why do you get sued when they are breaching contract? What can their allegations against you possibly be?

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  • [–] 55 points 13 hours ago* (3 children)

    I'm very sorry for your situation. Please do not let these fuckers decide what you are worth, and leash you.

    Your wife loves you, and you are more important to everyone around you than to your company. Live for your love, and your friends. Even if your life has to change a little, that's not the end.

    make your way out of that company painful. Point fingers, humiliate them, politely. Call the media, do the drama, make them feel ashamed.

    Best of luck, do not quit life, you are bigger than them.

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  • [–] 33 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

    Call the media, do the drama

    Even saying 100% true things, this gets you sued in Japan. This is specifically why I don't name the company.

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  • [–] 20 points 13 hours ago (1 child)

    If you will be fucked either way... Create a trail, try the good path first. Humanize, try sympathy.

    If they don't care, threat media exposure, Japanese are really prideful and that hurts them the most

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  • [–] 19 points 11 hours ago

    And I assume that you (and many others) were being lied to about this RTO policy, so you'll most likely have public sympathy on your side. Also, you can start a GoFundMe (or similar) to support you in your Situation. Be vulnerable, let the communuty pick you up. And when you're up again, pay the compassion forward.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

    I am sorry for your situation. Since you entertained the idea of killing yourself, I strongly believe you should consult an expert or a doctor. As others mentioned: The people around love you and do care about you.

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  • [+] -15 points 9 hours ago (1 child)

    you fell for the "move to the countryside" incentive. they give you money to move in the middle of nowhere, then you pay for that circumstance for the rest of your life with poor transportation, no jobs, expensive maintenance etc.

    also you went into farming while also having severe physical health issues?? really?

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  • [–] 36 points 14 hours ago

    Capitalism. The people calling the shots and keeping the profits are not the people doing the work.

    It's bad and will continue to be bad for everyone except the top layer of rich people.

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  • [–] 61 points 16 hours ago

    If you get the opportunity, join a union.

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  • [–] 24 points 15 hours ago (5 children)

    I don’t think I’ll ever stop working on my own projects. Even if I leave the software industry otherwise.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

    This is the way to keep being attached to what you create. Noone can force you to use AI for your own stuff. And if corporate life does get unbearable, there's still the path of trying to sell your own software. Not using LLMs for that is a big plus nowadays in the eyes of costumers too.

    I think this is part of the reason for the massive explosion - close to cambrian proportions - in the indie games market in the last years. It gives people a creative outlet and if it goes well (sadly that is not often the case - yet. Steam has been experimenting heavily on matching the right player with the right game which has already made some impact in actual sale numbers from what i read, and the fruits of this experimentation are bound to come into play next year), it might pay the bills.

    Edit: Here's Steams announcement where the are replacing curated slots with ones personalized to the account: https://steamcommunity.com/groups/steamworks/announcements/detail/676258795703240952

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  • [–] 26 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

    Sadly, I'm way more burned out than Pre-AI and I was a bit before then. (So I guess it just sped up the pace).

    I have no desire to come home and work on personal software or devops projects. My Homelab sits in the same state it was since the last real vacation I had. Corporate/industry work has removed all desire for personal development work.

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  • [–] 10 points 11 hours ago

    Yeah one of my hobbies used to be computational math, I used it to learn about complex analysis, shaders, group theory...

    Now I'm like "fuck all of that", I do tai chi, I cook carnitas, I read manga.

    I'm spoiled on the whole thing, I take no pride that I used to be someone who knew a lot about computers and having worked at Google/MSFT is now a source of shame.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 hours ago

    I've started my own project a few months ago (fully free mobile game on Android and iOS), it can be a fun hobby, but when it's not so fun you burn out even quicker. So I guess it depends on if it's just a small project for yourself or if you make it public..

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  • [–] 6 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

    I’m thinking about getting into cyber security, or maybe get an MFT and be a shrink. Idk. Job market kinda sucks

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