“Oppositional Defiance Disorder” is a diagnosis that can get a student an IEP.

So a disruptive, violent child can show up to school every day - throw chairs, bring drugs to school - then get mom or dad to take them to the doc to diagnose them with ODD. It’s a manifestation of their disability.

“Inclusion” also means that these children need to be placed in the same classroom as all the other children. So 29 children are subject to the violence of 1.

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[–] 14 points 2 hours ago

As the parent of a child with a 30-page IEP, fuck out of here with that ableist bullshit.

  1. That doesn't make ODD any less valid of a diagnosis.

  2. That's not how diagnosis works.

  3. That's not how inclusion works.

A problem student with manipulative parents and incompetent faculty (assuming that's even what's happening and you're not leaving out details) that you personally have a problem with is no reason for you to come on here spreading Facebook-level disinformation.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 hours ago (1 child)

    The school is also required to have a safety plan in place for when this happens to protect the other students. The IEP protects both sets of students.

    It sounds like you're frustrated because you or a family member may have been impacted by an incident like the one you describe. It is also OK for you to request the help that you or your family needs.

    All children are entitled to an equal education, and some need more supports than others. This system may not be perfect, but it's much better than the harm and neglect that these children used to receive decades ago. Removing them from their peers at all times is harmful, but that does not mean that they are allowed to be violent and harmful at any time.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 9 minutes ago

    I am a teacher that is sick of physical and verbal abuse directed at me and my other students being shrugged off because the student has an IEP.

    This is an ongoing issue that you can talk to probably ANY public school teacher in the United States about.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 hour ago (4 children)

    Because anyone is going to a doc to request a specific mental health diagnosis to let someone act out...

    There are multiple cases for an IEP, and they all require a coordinated approach with teachers, parents, and other faculty. This is not some sort of 'get out of trouble free' card that people waive to be given a pass, it's meant to help accommodate someone struggling with life and help to get the best outcomes for them and others around them.

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  • [–] [S] -2 points 16 minutes ago (3 children)

    They don’t even have to get the diagnosis. Parents can request an evaluation to start an IEP and the kid is immune from suspension.

    I’m certified special education and have written IEPs myself. The reality if not the intent is that it is a get out of jail free pass.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 minute ago

    I don't know where you are, but around here there needs to be a finding of need in either an emotional-behavior disorder, or an autism spectrum disorder category before an IEP is considered an option. That IEP includes a fairly lengthy set of accomodations and regulations to ensure everyone is following the special exceptions as agreed but none of it makes any indication that they can't be put out of class, in fact there are entirely separate classes or alternative schools for those with exceptional cases caused by a condition or not.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 minutes ago (1 child)

    You're a horrible person and should reevaluate whether you should be in charge of the well being of children at all.

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 7 minutes ago

    Based on the fact that I am informing you of federal law?

    I guess the attitude towards education on lemmy I keep seeing makes a lot of sense - the lack of reading comprehension is spectacular. Notice I didn’t even say ODD was an invalid diagnosis, but multiple commenters seem to have hallucinated a little bit of text at the end.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 hour ago (1 child)

    I have a young nephew that was lashing out and the mother got calls almost daily. He was diagnosed with ODD, put on medication, and his behaviour took a 180. The calls have stopped and he is participating like every other kid without incident.

    You're post comes off like something like ODD is made up and that these children to young adult should just be isolated. Fuck that.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 11 minutes ago

    Should a student who is violent and disruptive get to ruin the experiences of the other 29 student?

    Teachers are not behavioral therapists. ODD students who can not function in a normal classroom need to be getting services with trained mental health professionals.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 hour ago (1 child)

    You're raging against this in very general terms. As a snotty European I would throw in suspension as a disciplinary measure for humans in development, as all children in schools are, should only be the ultima ratio. So learning there are time limits on suspension terms for kids with disabilities sounds absolutely insane to my very snotty European ears.

    If a school system in the US implemented inclusion without individual review when it isn't working or is too disruptive for the other pupils, then I don't mind you putting that term in inverted commas that much. I think you're on the edge of ableism there though. If you're trying to win an argument at a school board meeting, you might want to keep that in mind.

    Many school districts are cash poor. They are being asked to follow guidelines for all sorts of things, not just the topic we're discussing here, without also being given the financial means to fulfill them. The American teacher asking for go-fund-mes for classroom material is an established meme. That's why out of principle I cut teachers and admins in the public school system some slack. So rather than running the risk of being misunderstood as an angry ableist, channel your anger at the people who make political decisions that affect your school district. Because I'm very confident at the heart of virtually every school related conflict lies chronic underfunding.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 hour ago

    Can you keep the vagueposting on Facebook please

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  • [–] 2 points 1 hour ago (1 child)

    Private schools are free to expel a kid who needs an IEP. Public schools are tasked with helping the kid.* This is a good thing. Imagine if all those kids with disabilities had no education at all.

    *at least that's how it was 15 years ago idk about now...

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