“Oppositional Defiance Disorder” is a diagnosis that can get a student an IEP.

So a disruptive, violent child can show up to school every day - throw chairs, bring drugs to school - then get mom or dad to take them to the doc to diagnose them with ODD. It’s a manifestation of their disability.

“Inclusion” also means that these children need to be placed in the same classroom as all the other children. So 29 children are subject to the violence of 1.

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[–] 12 points 3 hours ago (9 children)

Because anyone is going to a doc to request a specific mental health diagnosis to let someone act out...

There are multiple cases for an IEP, and they all require a coordinated approach with teachers, parents, and other faculty. This is not some sort of 'get out of trouble free' card that people waive to be given a pass, it's meant to help accommodate someone struggling with life and help to get the best outcomes for them and others around them.

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  • [–] [S] -4 points 2 hours ago (8 children)

    They don’t even have to get the diagnosis. Parents can request an evaluation to start an IEP and the kid is immune from suspension.

    I’m certified special education and have written IEPs myself. The reality if not the intent is that it is a get out of jail free pass.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 hours ago (5 children)

    You're a horrible person and should reevaluate whether you should be in charge of the well being of children at all.

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  • [–] [S] -2 points 1 hour ago (4 children)

    Based on the fact that I am informing you of federal law?

    I guess the attitude towards education on lemmy I keep seeing makes a lot of sense - the lack of reading comprehension is spectacular. Notice I didn’t even say ODD was an invalid diagnosis, but multiple commenters seem to have hallucinated a little bit of text at the end.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 hour ago (3 children)

    Yes. Because you not only made a post pessimistically cherry picking facts about the the thing you posted, your defenses are revealing that you are resentful and angry about it.

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  • [–] [S] -1 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

    “Cherry picking” - it is a fact that students on IEPs cannot be suspended for more than ten days without a “manifestation determination meeting.” If the meeting determines that the cussing, skipping class, or being physically violent towards children and teachers is a product of the disability, they cannot be suspended for it.

    You can find hundreds of teachers on TikTok and elsewhere describing being physically assaulted and expected to just deal with it.

    If I was such a shitty person, I don’t think I’d be giving gifts to and smiling at a 16 year old who called me a fucking removed to my face. Probably wouldn’t be spending $200+/month on supplies for a job that pays me so little I need two part time jobs on top either I guess.

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  • [–] 1 point 18 minutes ago (1 child)

    Cherry picking is telling specific facts without telling other facts. You can't beat accusations of cherry picking by showing how your statements are factual. You are being accused of omitting important relevant facts.

    And just because you're good at masking your resentment doesn't mean you aren't resentful. If you're going to educate children, get a therapist and show them this post and your replies to comments.

    Or you, know, do what most shitty teachers do and think of yourself as the victim of a system setup to protect children against your interests.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 15 minutes ago*

    Which important facts am I omitting?

    I’m not masking resentment. I am pretty fucking resentful that I am not a mental health professional or social worker, while still being expected to perform their jobs on top of my own.

    I have been raped and taught the next day. Believe it or not I’m pretty fucking good at my job.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 hour ago (1 child)

    I don't know where you are, but around here there needs to be a finding of need in either an emotional-behavior disorder, or an autism spectrum disorder category before an IEP is considered an option. That IEP includes a fairly lengthy set of accomodations and regulations to ensure everyone is following the special exceptions as agreed but none of it makes any indication that they can't be put out of class, in fact there are entirely separate classes or alternative schools for those with exceptional cases caused by a condition or not.

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