A central Bible verse left Alabama Sen. Tommy Tuberville puzzled Wednesday — as he compared himself to America’s poorest people.

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“Some of the people say your party’s, you know, punishing ‘the least of these,’” he was told.

“Punishing what? ‘The least of these?’”

“‘The least of these’ — biblical reference,” the reporter explained, referring to the famous verse in Matthew 25:40, “Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.”

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“The least of these?” Tuberville asked again, clearly puzzled.

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[–] 47 points 3 days ago (7 children)

Lived in the south for 40 years. Republicans are fake christians.

Also they lean really heavy on the old testament even when it contradicts the teaching of Jesus.

They want what they want, because they want it. Then they delude themselves about the bible agreeing with them.

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  • [–] 18 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

    Christianity has always been this, and often worse. They’re not fake. At least right now they’re only being hypocrites and not actually burning people at the stake, flaying people alive, or turning them into *chattel slaves. So I guess that’s progress.

    (*or as much anyhow).

    e: if this feels aimed at you lately, that’s only because you’ve recently been added as a target of theirs for recruiting or whatever. Welcome to the club. We bring refreshments and drugs to most meetings. We need them to deal with their shit.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 days ago

    At least right now they’re ... not actually burning people at the stake, flaying people alive, or turning them into slaves. So I guess that’s progress.

    Yep, ICE uses superficially different tactics to destroy people now.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

    Also they lean really heavy on the old testament even when it contradicts the teaching of Jesus.

    No. it actually doesn't. Jesus taught a strict adherence to the Law of Moses. Specifically, the written Law. he states this incredibly clearly in Mathew 5:17-20:

    ^17^“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. ^18^ For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not one letter, not one stroke of a letter, will pass from the law until all is accomplished. ^19^ Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. ^20^ For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

    Unless you care to completely ignore the words we ascribe directly to Jesus himself, of course. Which is what most Christians will do. They will say something to effect of "the law is fulfilled therefor he abolished the old covenant and we have a new one", but that's not what jesus is saying at all. What he's saying he came to fulfill is the messianic prophecies. The law itself is eternal, and will persist until the end of times.

    There's also a general lack of understanding about the cultural context. Romans were severely oppressing the jewish people. the kingdom of Israel itself was a client-state that had been conquered and subjected to roman rule; and such like. People were angsty. And their traditions taught that they were the chosen people. And in the past, when they got roflstomped by much larger nations, they explained it as their god being pissed at them... because they stopped following the Law that god laid down. (or rather, Moses laid down... details.)

    and so god punished them with getting conquered and war. the most famous of these are the Babylonian exile and such like.

    So we come to the Roman occupation/oppression/etc of the period and there were a lot of people that were upset that the pharisees followed something called The Law of the Elders, or also, The Oral tradition (Which was the law of moses as passed down orally,), which was a softened version that took off the rough edges of the written law... because frankly, it was straight up awful.

    It's a fundamental misunderstanding that Jesus was somehow 'more progressive' than the pharisees. he was actually a fundamentalist. you can see this distinction in when he's beefing with them. For example, Mark 7:

    ^1^Now when the Pharisees and some of the scribes who had come from Jerusalem gathered around him, ^2^ they noticed that some of his disciples were eating with defiled hands, that is, without washing them. ^3^ (For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, do not eat unless they wash their hands, thus observing the tradition of the elders, ^4^ and they do not eat anything from the market unless they wash, and there are also many other traditions that they observe: the washing of cups and pots and bronze kettles and beds.) ^5^ So the Pharisees and the scribes asked him, “Why do your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders but eat with defiled hands?” ^6^ He said to them, “Isaiah prophesied rightly about you hypocrites, as it is written,

    ‘This people honors me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me; ^7^ in vain do they worship me, teaching human precepts as doctrines.’

    ^8^ “You abandon the commandment of God and hold to human tradition.”

    ^9^ Then he said to them, “You have a fine way of rejecting the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition! ^10^ For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘Whoever speaks evil of father or mother must surely die.’ ^11^ But you say that if anyone tells father or mother, ‘Whatever support you might have had from me is Corban’ (that is, an offering to God), ^12^ then you no longer permit doing anything for a father or mother, ^13^ thus nullifying the word of God through your tradition that you have handed on. And you do many things like this.”

    The first part, the accusation by the Pharisees is not part of the written law. It comes from the Oral Tradition. The Pharisees were upset that the disciples were breaking that, and Jesus was like "but you don't even follow the Law of Moses!"... and then cites a law that requires stoning unruly children. Specifically, exodus 21:17 and Leviticus 20:9, which say:

    Whoever curses father or mother shall be put to death. and
    All who curse father or mother shall be put to death; having cursed father or mother, their bloodguilt is upon them.

    The original written law was something wishy washy, so rabbinic tradition (law of the elders) made it less wishy washy, until there very few justifications for actually stoning children. It started simply as bitching and moaning about your parents, as Jesus took it, and they limited the whole stoning-thing to things much, much more egregious (to the point that the standard was basically never met.)

    it's important to note that Jesus and people at that time made very sharp distinctions between classes of people. Jesus wasn't talking about, for example, slaves. Jesus literally had more to say about paying taxes to oppressors than slavery. Not because he didn't encounter slavery (that was probably a daily occurrence, and Jerusalem would have had a thriving slave market,) but because he was fundamentally okay with it. So when jesus talks about 'the least of these', it's important to remember he's talking about his brothers and sisters- presumably his followers. not the slaves who were the literal least in society. to his conception, they weren't people- they were property.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

    You do realize that your monologue just proved my point.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 days ago*

    They were trying to add a lot of substance to your point, with a slight correction that counters the common justification Christians use for their hypocrisy: "we don't have to listen to the old testament if we don't want to because I cast Jesus says shut up"

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  • [–] 5 points 2 days ago*

    in what way?

    "I did not come to abolish the law" is pretty unambiguous. Its also not that hard to understand. You can argue with me all you want about how Jesus isn't saying what he's saying. But it's very explicit

    This gets to a core of why I deconstructed in the first place. Christian doctrine generally relates the original jewish scriptures as being a body of literature that points to Jesus and the New Covenant and that he's the Messiah.

    You cannot disregard the "old testament" for the "new testament", because the Old defines the New. In particular, it defines what the Messiah was supposed to be, and what the messiah was supposed to do, and what would happen after the messiah came.

    despite all the times in the gospels and elsewhere that are like "And Jesus fullfilled that prophecy by doing this thing"... Jesus failed every single one of those checks.

    Even when Jesus is like "And this blood is the new covenant" or whatever creepy death-culty blood magic he's doing (luke 22,) Jesus is referencing Jeremiah 31, specifically verses 31-35.

    the entire chapter is about the redemption and restoration of Israel; it's about the messiah, and how everyone is going to have plenty, and be joyful and there's going to be grace and stuff, and that in order to keep people going failing the old covenenant, god's going to offer a new covenant- that the law would be written onto people's hearts and that they would be unable to break the covenant because of it.

    you don't have to take my word for it, or even click the link above. Here you go here's the relevant verses:

    ^31^ The days are surely coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah. ^32^ It will not be like the covenant that I made with their ancestors when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt—a covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, says the Lord. ^33^ But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. ^34^ No longer shall they teach one another or say to each other, “Know the Lord,” for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, says the Lord, for I will forgive their iniquity and remember their sin no more.

    The Law Jeremiah is talking about is the Law of Moses. That's what will enter people's hearts and they'll follow until the end of times. That is Law Jesus is talking about when he says:

    17“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not one letter, not one stroke of a letter, will pass from the law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

    So please, do go on bashing "Fake" Christians as if their god wasn't an absolute fucking monster. Stop pretending like"progressive" christians are any better at understanding scripture. Their god still demanded the slaughter of untold numbers of pregnant women- by running them through with a sword- and the dashing of young babies and children against rocks. (the specific formula for that was grabbing them by the legs and swinging until their brains splattered everywhere.)

    The progressive's god demands the stoning of trans and gay men and demands the subservience of women to men treating them as property, expressly allowing fathers to sell their daughters as sex slaves.

    People like Talerico might be kind, decent people, who treat most everyone with dignity and respect... but that's in spite of their god. Their god would throw them into hell for their respect and dignity and kindness.

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  • [–] 32 points 3 days ago (1 child)

    Conservative don't read the bible or understand it. They only cherry pick and twist the little they know into hate, oppression and discrimination.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 days ago (2 children)

    Congress is a series of Tubervilles.

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  • [–] [S] 10 points 3 days ago (2 children)

    I'd be willing to bet that every Atheist knows what the biblical phrase "the least of these" means. As an American, I'm horrified by the declining intelligence of our leadership.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 days ago

    I mean, whatever, it's only the Son of God telling you the form He will appear to you during your life, and the test He is placing on you.*

    Tuberville, being a former football coach, is perplexed as to how you can't just get your TA to take the test for you.

    (*if you believe that and all)

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  • [–] 5 points 2 days ago*

    Christians don't actually care about the teachings of Christ. They just wanna belong to the whitest club available.

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