Crossposted from https://infosec.pub/post/52518361

The TV world has been a pot of controversy thanks to a two-hour-and-15-minute video from Gamers Nexus claiming LG TVs are nefariously spying on everything you do. They can record and store audio even when they seem to be off, track everything you watch, and could even be hacked remotely and turned into covert surveillance […]

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[–] 126 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Anytime a company gets caught spying, it's pretty safe to assume they all do it but that company was just the first to get caught.

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  • [–] 39 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Gamers Nexus said that they assume other brands are just as bad but they only wanted to spend the funds for the one company

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  • [–] 40 points 3 weeks ago

    Not wanted, had. They would love to do more. And in fact part of the fundraising around this is for that. GN and gamer jesus's only recently turned to heavy investigative journalism. But they don't have a sugar daddy to fund them or dedicated viewing area to sell advertising to. Their situation with alphabet and YouTube is very adversarial as well.

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    [–] 61 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (18 children)

    How to tell if something is possibly spying on you:

    1. Can it connect to the internet?
    2. Is the firmware/software controlled by a corporation?
    3. Does it have sensors capable of surveillance, like a microphone or camera?
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  • [–] 28 points 3 weeks ago (17 children)

    I'm concerned you may not even need to connect it to the internet. It may be enough for a neighbor to leave their WiFi unsecured. The TV may very well watch for one and use it to upload.

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  • [–] [S] 55 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    Solid article. Definitely recommend the read.

    Here’s the video by Gamers Nexus the article is talking about. It’s 2 hours and 15 minutes long.

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    [–] 54 points 3 weeks ago (15 children)

    This is why I thought the "talk to your TV remote" things were all garbage...Involving a fucking microphone and a speech to text algorithm and potentially cloud bullshit just to fucking change a channel? Change the volume level? STUPID. It's much worse than just pressing a fucking button and having the volume / channel change immediately, as well as a needless sacrifice of what little remains of your privacy.

    I don't get it with smart switches / smart fans and shit either. Like a light switch already works completely fine guys. I don't know why we need to be able to talk to this shit.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Typing on a TV remote is a miserable experience but we've already solved that problem just put a damn keyboard on the remote already

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  • [–] 8 points 2 weeks ago*
    1. Build a cheap PC or buy an NVidia Shield to be your media center. (I actually use a SteamLink to my desktop PC.)

    2. Never tell your TV your Wi-Fi password.

    3. Use a wireless keyboard with touch-pad as your remote.

    (4. Pirate stuff over a VPN.)

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  • [–] 14 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

    Personally I have a smart litter box triggering an exhaust fan for 10 minutes every time it cycles.

    My A/C turns off if you leave the patio door open for a couple minutes.

    I have a light upstairs that I turn red when I'm in an important meeting, like an On Air button.

    The foyer light turns on when you open the front door at night.

    There are useful things to be done, and most of my info doesn't leave the house.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Matter over Thread with Home Assistant is the smarthome tech I'd recommend.

    With that setup it all stays local. You can even block everything from the internet, unless you want to do an update.

    It will work with Google/Apple/Alexa, but of course as soon as you do that... well, that's the point of running Home Assistant instead.

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    [–] 50 points 2 weeks ago (27 children)

    This article is utter bullshit normalizing this invasion of privacy by entertainment hardware vendors. "Everyone is doing it" is not a valid defense, it only shows that no one should be doing it and that the laws are too lax and not protecting people as they should.

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    [–] 27 points 2 weeks ago

    Need to put them in a faraday cage.

    In fact, maybe your entire house should be a faraday cage

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  • [–] 27 points 3 weeks ago (16 children)

    My Samsung tv literally phones home and Netflix 24/7 even when it is off. My “Sniffet” app screams with nothing but Samsung and Netflix garbage URLs. So does my pi-hole. It’s insane how any of this is actually even legal.

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  • [–] 34 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    FYI the default blocklist included with PiHole does not block smart TVs. Strongly recommend Perflyst SmartTV List:

    https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Perflyst/PiHoleBlocklist/master/SmartTV.txt

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  • [–] 10 points 3 weeks ago

    I don’t use the default one from pihole, I had to dig around to find the ones that actually did block all the ads and other garbage. But I’ll definitely dig into the link you have provided. Much appreciated, fellow great human being <3

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    [–] 25 points 2 weeks ago

    I once tried to connect my Galaxy phone to my Samsung TV that is not connected to the local network. And the phone not only connected via bluetooth to share the video I was trying to project, it also silently passed my wifi credentials from the phone to the TV and connected itself to the internet.

    Got rid of the Samsung phone soon after, and I won’t buy another Samsung TV either when this one dies.

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  • [–] 21 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    For people thinking about opening up their remotes and removing the microphone. You're free to do so as you please, but also note there has been zero evidence of any remotes doing any sort of recording unless the button is pressed.

    Now this isn't to say the recording isn't forwarded to the mother ship once you do press that button, but the main concern has been the mic inside the TV. The remote has pretty limited batteries, if it were to record all the time it would run flat in a matter of hours. So if your remote does a year or so on the batteries, it's not recording anything unless you press the button to do so.

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    Samsung Privacy. Download or Delete your data and opt out for all Samsung apps and Services.

    My request is processing for the last 6 hours....

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  • [–] 16 points 2 weeks ago* (1 child)

    These 'options' fundamentally don't work. Even if they were in good-faith one of their partners will still collect and transmit data you've generated. The whole industry is built on a no-consent model: it's software; people can't see or hear what software is doing; keep it in the background. Any attempt to revoke consent in a no-consent industry is futile. What's not futile is taking control of your computers and not running their proprietary spyware software in the first place.

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    [–] 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Duh... it's pretty much like how the news only covered that one auto maker about how they track your activity but the reality is, they're all doing it.

    If it has a mic or GPS, you better believe they'll have a way to track you. Don't matter if Android or iPhone, Kia, Niisan, whatever. Tech bros and the state are all in cahoots.

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    [–] 11 points 3 weeks ago

    It’s not just LG. Every TV company is spying on you

    there, I fixed it.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

    Not if you still have a 1080p dumb TV from 10-12 years ago (I forget exactly its so old).

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    [–] 8 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    Yup.

    Texas (and oddly, Ken Paxton) are currently suing five TV manufacturers for this. If anyone's interested I made a video about it on my channel.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 weeks ago (19 children)

    the big mistake is buying a smart tv in the firs tplace.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 weeks ago (16 children)

    It's hard to find dumb TV. But you can just use a smart TV without connecting it to the internet.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 weeks ago (15 children)

    That's a bit of a misconception, TV's have other potential paths to try and get themselves connected. Say connecting itself to an unsecured network or uploading through a data stream over HDMI. Or you sell the TV and the next person connects it to the internet (TV's can store a lot of data too).

    The only real ways to cripple a Smart TV is to either destroy the ability to spy (disconnect mics etc.) or properly contain it in a firewall.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Why do these types of comments keep getting upvoted when they’re fundamentally virtue signalling with nothing of substance?

    If people shouldn’t buy a smart tv, are you suggesting no tv at all? Or a business display that’s not as good for gaming and other media?

    Or do you actually have a suggestion for a non-smart tv made with current technology?

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  • [–] 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Not my dumb tv from 2009, that's still kicking

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    [–] 7 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    This is why when i'm done watching TV, i would pull out the power plug from the electric socket.

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