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[–] 60 points 1 week ago (29 children)

If BYD were available in the USA to consumers without tarrif fuckery, all domestic brands would ho belly up in a year

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  • [–] 10 points 1 week ago (23 children)

    True, but kind of hilarious that you're basically explaining why tariffs are used. Like, fuckery? Tariffs are absolutely vital. It's when you have no fucking idea how they work a la MAGA that they get used as a weapon instead of a tool.

    You don't want BYD coming in tariff free exactly because it would collapse not just the domestic brands but also the entire economic infrastructure around them.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 week ago

    I'd feel more strongly at protecting national brands if they didn't outsource and import 99% of the car. The only national brand that primarily manufactures everything in the us is Tesla, and it's ran by an anti-union nazi.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    You assume i dont want it to burn

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  • [–] 13 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    It would be fair to tarrif the imports to the extent of the Chinese manufacturing subsidy to level the playing field.

    Beyond that, let us allow them in to put some pressure on domestic manufacturers to force production of products that we can actually afford to buy as an alternative to a 50K family wagon that has fewer features and is less efficient.

    Our domestic vehicle choices are woefully inadequate to the times we live in and something needs to change. Affordability is not a pipe dream is what China is teaching us - don't let that message pass you by as they build a strong economy around us.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (8 children)

    So you agree that capitalism's primary use is not to ensure the supply of everyone's needs with the most effective usage of resources.

    But rather: it's about competition on an international level. And the former kingpins (so-called "US" and Europe) try to stop their inevitable decline.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    This system of oppression needs to collapse.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 days ago

    Ekhm. Do you know exactly how [rear earth] minerals are extracted (and how this industry became dominant in China over the rest of the world)? Other industries (with respective wages and employees' rights)?

    Just let's be clear and specific about (methods of) oppression (if you insist on using this term exactly). The word is overused imo to drive specific agenda nowadays, unfortunately.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Even with a 100% tariff, BYD would still be the best deal. From what my friends who frequently travel in Canada say, the cars themselves are excellent too. With their first solid state battery products releasing in 2027, they're poised to be what people thought Tesla was going to be 10 years ago while Tesla has mired itself in musky politics. The board needs to drop Elon as part of its plans to survive the next decade.

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    [–] 37 points 1 week ago (11 children)

    Why is everything the size of a fucking tank? What happened to small cars that can fit into my 1890s drive designed for carriages and horses? (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

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  • [–] 11 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    The BYD Atto 1 (Dolphin) is what you're after.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    Ohhh this looks not bad, how is it when it comes to privacy? I was looking at something around the size of Kia Picanto. That fits very nicely (tested with real car), but electric is better.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 week ago*

    It is probably a privacy nightmare, like any modern car. Biggest difference is probably in which law sphere you reside and if it has any meaningful data protection legislation.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago

    The Chinese are now putting voice control mics on the outside of some cars, but I'm assuming that's reserved for high end models for now. The idea being you can just say "open frunk" instead of having to press a button, etc.

    They also have no reason to be better on privacy than everyone else.

    You're not going to get privacy in any car made in the last 10 years or so.

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    [–] 29 points 1 week ago* (9 children)

    it's good to mention those prices are only for China. In Europe, the current model after tariffs and taxes is around 36k€.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 week ago* (2 children)

    Tariffs imposed by your own government to keep you from getting it at the cheapest price so their friends car companies can compete

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  • [–] 12 points 1 week ago

    And yet that's light af compared to the penalties foreign automakers face in China because China doesn't want foreign cars in their country. And that was BEFORE they even knew how to make good car.

    China's mission now is to be the only country whose manufacturers you can buy cars from eventually. When that happens, don't expect them to stay subsidised.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 week ago

    yes. they is how tariff works.

    but to be fair, the chinese government is subsidizing those cars to keep their price artificially down and take over the industry.

    they are still a better deal than most european EVs

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  • [–] 6 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    Diabolical to buy such a car at that price.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    all cars are super expensive these days. it's incredible how much they have go up since 2020

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  • [–] 29 points 1 week ago

    An affordable car, that doesn't need gas. Of course it's not available in America.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 week ago (8 children)

    small

    Yes…

    electric

    YESSS…

    SUV

    ugh.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 week ago (6 children)

    BYD also sells other electric cars, for example the seagull/dolphin surf/atto 1 (different name depending on region), which is a hatchback city car

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    [–] 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

    Current Atto kinda sucks though the interior is "gym themed", I kid you not. The gear shift is a kettlebell

    Seems like they actually updated the interior away from these absurd themes and just started to make normal cars now.

    The biggest car interior improvement of the century right here.

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    [–] 8 points 1 week ago

    Was it waymo that got around the China tariffs by essential buying separate parts? Like buying vehicles with no motors and then buying the motors separately.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 week ago

    An electric I could almost afford

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  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    I have a BYD dolphin essential

    It's not perfect, but it was the cheapest car I could get, cheaper than most second-hand hybrids around me

    I love it!

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    it is super cute! If I didn't have teenage kids I would have gotten something like that (or the renault 5). In the end I got the Atto3 evo and I've been happy with it.

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