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[–] 50 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

They are always very specific when saying that Flock cameras do not do face recognition. Because stated like this it's true. The face recognition doesn't happen on the camera (also not license plate reading etc.) instead photos are sent to central servers where they do the license plate reading and face recognition.

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  • [–] 32 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Just a random string of characters:

    HaJ3FgupAm8RrDJW3MHgT9X7Ft27eVaD

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  • [–] 25 points 1 week ago (6 children)

    We are soon to find out if Flock blindly onboards random MAC addresses as new cameras.

    If so, it seems anyone with the hardcoded key can authenticate with Flock ask if they were a new camera.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    And it doesn't have to be a camera. It can just be a random set of images.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    It can be

    Gasp

    Can it pretend to be information about me, but then instead it's all butt holes?

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  • [–] 22 points 1 week ago

    Get it, freedom fighters! 🤘🏼✊🏼

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  • [–] 21 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    If you think for about two seconds about the national security implications about this, this is extremely, extremely bad.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 week ago* (3 children)

    You're right, but Flock (and all of these cameras) is bad for the liberty of the people, so this is good. Any time a national security threat is found, it shakes the trust in these systems, so they're less likely to be trusted again.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    The worst thing is that this isn't exactly new. The house heard about the vulnerabilities of this system in May.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKSjlZ6xyDo

    Unfortunately, we're in such a state of plutocracy and regulatory capture that even stating how big of a national security risk they are did not make any movement until now.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    In other words, it only makes movement when the general public finds out and starts sabotaging their cameras?

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  • [–] 1 point 5 days ago

    The damage really just amounts to insignificant outliers. There's so many cameras that the vandalized ones only make up a statistically insignificant portion.

    At the moment, I believe the actual movement is coming from the ground up, grassroots movements that are going to their town halls and telling their representatives that they want these cameras the fuck out of their cities, and it seems to be working, at least somewhat.

    I'd be lying though if I didn't feel some kind of justice and satisfaction every time I see that one dude in Florida carrying around a camera.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    I'm going to go as a functional Flock camera for Halloween.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    I wonder if this was a form of sabotage by an engineer, or regular incompetence

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  • Why are you linking to bluesky instead of his article?

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    [–] 2 points 1 week ago* (7 children)

    Quick question: what would be the correct way to handle this, security wise? How should they acquire their token if it isn't present on-device?

    I mean, each device could have its own token, but you could still sniff it, maybe? I dunno.

    How should Flock have gone about this if working to their own self-interest?

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  • [–] 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Ethically? Expire the token since it's compromised, and offer to refurbish all units in the field since flock screwed up, a now all customer data could be poisoned/suspect now.

    Realistically? Keep going like nothing happened an make it a customer support problem while pushing new hardened cameras that cost more. Because the product alone loudly flags Flock as a bunch of amoral greedy fuckwits.

    I won't suggest ways to actually make their product bulletproof because I care and we don't need to make this problem worse for everyone. It is a tantilizing problem space but there are never any perfect answers in security, only relatively better/worse ones.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Oh, I don't mean afterwards. I meant before it even happened.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago

    You give each camera its own token, and validate it with hardware ID.

    Even better, give them hardware token, that can sign, but does not leak its keys.

    In either way, you can ID the device, and block unsold and confirmed stolen/damaged ones. And never accept traffic from anything else.

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  • [–] [S] 11 points 1 week ago*

    One way would be to generate a unique private key on the secure element / TPM and its public key stored on the server for validation. Each API request would need to be signed with a relatively short expiration time. That way the code never contains sensitive content such as an API key, an exploited device only holds in RAM a signed certificate that is valid for a short period of time, and the certificate can be revoked/blocklisted on the server if compromised.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (2 children)

    y'all just givin the work away huh? don't answer this unless you are getting paid.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (1 child)

    O... Kay, I'm just trying to expand my knowledge about this particular case. I'm mostly a web dev but I'm trying to expand into security a little bit as well because I think that's important for my field. It just wasn't a part of my curriculum at uni 10–20 years ago.

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