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[–] 5 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

Just a heads up to everyone that has a Bisexuality definition that isn't Bisexual, I'd really recommend not putting anti-trans labels and bullshit on Bi people, it's never failed too piss off every Bi person I've ever been or known.

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    There's a ton of non-bisexual people in this thread (and elsewhere) that present a false definition of bisexual that excludes trans/nb/agender/gf/generally gender non-conforming people. Or otherwise may assume that bisexual people are necessarily either monogamous or polyamorous, neither of which is universally true of all bi people. Actual bisexual people (like myself) are understandably upset by these incorrect assumptions. It's especially harmful to have people assume that a bisexual person wouldn't be attracted to a trans person because of the implied transphobia it puts on bisexual people.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 hours ago

    F all this. I'm omni

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  • [–] 5 points 3 hours ago

    For practical purposes, it's a judgement call:

    -If they're under 30, I say I'm pansexual.

    -If they're over 40, I say I'm bisexual.

    -In between, I pick one based on vibes.

    For theory purposes:

    Studies on sexual attraction predate studies on gender identity. "Bisexual" hails from a day that we just considered the physical presentation of the people a study participant is attracted to, with the options of 1: Same, 2: Different. The studies allowed for people to be homosexual, heterosexual, or both-sexual.

    "Pansexual" has had different definitions in the 1920s, 1970s, 2020s, and presumably the years in between. The current popular definition of "attraction to all genders" or "attraction regardless of gender" is basically a subset of "bisexual", since this includes both people of the same sex, and people of different sex.

    It's more inclusive in the aspect of rejecting the gender binary at the start. But also, I believe that words are for communication, so at the end of the day, I'm using the most useful word based on the information I'm trying to communicate.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 hours ago (2 children)

    I really don't know what I'm talking about but I always assumed bisexual was attracted to both traditionally presenting men and women, but maybe not so attracted to others, androgynous presenting or otherwise.

    Pansexual is really like they dont even consider a persons gender at all, they can be attracted to anyone binary presenting or non-binary presenting

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  • [–] 4 points 1 hour ago (1 child)

    I'm not interested in binary gender conformity and gender conformity is NOT a part of how I experience my sexuality as a bisexual person, and I've never met a bisexual person who's claimed this is a part of their experience, I'm in my 40s, male, and spent a long time repressing my sexuality for everyone else's supposed comfort or benifit, and of course my supposed safety as growing up we were all told any variety of non cishet behavior would get us all killed and many followed through with that threat. I'm very much against anyone being told they need to fit any kind of construct of sexual or gender expression based on anything other that however they choose. and a lot of Bi people will get really put out of you place anti-trans bullshit on them. I'm PARTICULARLY attracted to people who DON'T confirm to gender demands of society and the binary gender construct is crazy harmful to so many people I deeply love and care about and will fight for and do what I can to protect. I'd really recommend not putting this supposed definition of bisexuality out, it's very contradictory to every bi person I've ever known's stated experience.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

    Pansexual because gender and physical looks are mostly irrelevant to what you find sexually attractive

    Bisexual because you find both sexes physically attractive making gender mostly irrelevant

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    By most definitions I’d consider myself pansexual, but boy do I like the bi flag more, so that is what I typically use. And it’s easier for a layman to understand.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (4 children)

    This is the definition I go by and why I swapped to Pansexual.

    Bisexual is attracted to more than one gender and CAN include all the same attractions as a Pansexual.

    Pansexual IS attraction to all genders.

    So yeah all pansexuals are bisexual but not all bisexuals are pansexuals, they could be trans excluding, that's sufficiently vague enough that Pansexual is its own thing.

    If you're a trans person on say a dating app that makes all the difference in considering whether or not someone is safe.

    So if you think there's no difference that's wrong. Could be that a bisexual is attracted to specifically women and nonbinary people, could be men and women, could be any other genders and it's not limited to two. Pansexuals skips that and says literally every gender.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 hours ago (3 children)

    If you’re a trans person on say a dating app that makes all the difference in considering whether or not someone is safe.

    I still wouldn't assume anyone labelling themselves as bisexual is an unsafe person for trans people. I think people use bi and pan interchangeably too much to assume anything without talking to the individual.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 hours ago* (2 children)

    You're twisting my words, I said whether or not someone is safe, not that they're unsafe.

    If you can't confirm that at first look then your only option is better safe than sorry and move on or get into what can very quickly turn into an unpleasant conversation.

    There is nuance and what you assume people do is just your own personal experience.

    My own experience is I've met many a cool bisexual in the right forums. I've also seen plenty a bisexual who hate the term pansexual and thinks it's redundant because they don't acknowledge the nuance. That isn't the kind of person I want to be around. Sure talking helps but when you're a pretty hated minority it's not exactly an attractive proposition to get to know every bisexual.

    To relate this back dating apps, if you're bisexual and down with trans people, let us know on your bio! And if you're someone who is attracted to all just take the dive and go pansexual! It's more specific and let's others know exactly who your interested in.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 hours ago (1 child)

    You're twisting my words, I said whether or not someone is safe, not that they're unsafe.

    To be pedantic... "Whether or not someone is safe" introduces two options: Safe or not safe. Unsafe and "not safe" are more interchangeable than pansexual and bisexual.

    I understand it's not what you meant... but I dont think they're twisting your words. I think it's an honest attempt at faithfully interpreting your words. It's just that the language isn't really built for the kind of distinction you're trying to make.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 hours ago*

    I'd have to agree with you there, I apologize, it's English specific but god does English have some issues like that. To clarify I meant you have no idea of their intentions, so you can't tell if they have ill or well intentioned thoughts towards you, so for your own sake it's easier to assume they are not safe. That doesn't mean they are dangerous but you can't know for certain.

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  • [–] 22 points 13 hours ago (5 children)

    You're only pansexual if you're from the Panne region of France, otherwise you're just sparkling bisexual.

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    [–] 4 points 9 hours ago (5 children)

    So the definitions I've seen here are:

    • Bisexuals are only attracted to cis people, pansexuals are attracted to cis, trans, and nonbinary people
    • Bisexuals are only attracted to binary genders, while pansexuals are attracted to all genders
    • Bisexuals are attracted based on looks, pansexuals are attracted based on personality (possibly means they're demi too)
    • Bisexuals are attracted to people because of gendered characteristics, pansexuals are attracted to people regardless of gendered characteristics (not really sure what this one means, different wording of the previous one?)
    • Bisexuals are attracted to more than one gender, pansexuals are attracted to all genders
    • Bisexuals are monogamous, pansexuals are polyamorous
    • Bisexuals like the bi flag, pansexuals like the pan flag
    • Plus various other joke definitions

    Did I miss any? A couple of these were new to me. Innovations in the discourse?

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  • [–] 4 points 6 hours ago (1 child)

    In regards to the 4th one, that's how I've always kinda described it. I consider myself bi because I am attracted to men, women, and NBs differently. My sister considers herself pan because there is no difference in the way she feels attracted to someone based on their gender.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 hours ago

    Bisexual: attracted to two or more genders and are autumn or winter coloring.

    Pansexual: attracted to more than one gender, and are a spring or summer.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 hours ago

    The difference is that they’re both getting fucked over and not in the sexy way…

    Wait that’s not a difference

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  • [–] 19 points 15 hours ago

    I'd say the only meaningful distinction is that some people make up a definition "bi" could have had but never did, and then use "pan" in opposition to that 😛

    But more honestly I asked my sister why she identifies as pan rather than bi, and her answer was that bi attracted the wrong people and pan attracted the right people 😉

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