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[–] 82 points 1 week ago (9 children)

yeah no thanks. luckily librewolf strips this shit out.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 week ago (8 children)

    or you can just turn it off from settings

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  • [–] 27 points 1 week ago (6 children)

    Or they can stop trying to force it through their users throat and just accept that the biggest part of their users don't want it.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    I mean, they do give a single toggle that disables every AI feature (new and old) at once... I think that's pretty good

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  • [–] 9 points 1 week ago

    But why isn't it a toggle that turns these features on instead?

    It's bullshit that we're expected to constantly opt-OUT of these features that we supposed want. If we wanted them, we would turn them on.

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  • [–] 54 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    What happened to just making a damn good browser

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  • [–] 53 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Mozilla is in the sweet spot of basically being the only available browser that isnt chrome, that has adblocking.

    and they are doing everything in their power to fuck it up by chasing this bullshit AI trend thats already dying on the vine.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 week ago

    On one side, its great that forks exist that strip out a lot of the bullshit. On the other hand if main Firefox dies or goes too far into the deep end, there's no way those forks can take its role

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  • [–] 46 points 1 week ago (31 children)

    I don't really mind AI features where it makes sense. That being said, as someone else commented, this should have been a plugin.

    I'll add on top of that: this should have been a plugin wholly developed by Mistral. Mozilla should stop spending time and money on side features and focus on the browser and its engine. It still is way slower than any chromium based browser, lacks features that have been standard on chromium for years (eg. HDR video playback) and it's way less efficient on battery than the competition.

    Complaining about Firefox doing this and groveling on "I'm good, I'm on " is spitting upwards: even the most modified forks like Zen still rely on Mozilla's aging engine.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

    Exactly. The Blender foundation has stated that it is a tool by humans and for humans, so no AI functionality is planned. However, there are still MCP extensions and the like. There’s nothing stopping anyone from using AI with Blender, but the Blender Foundation funding goes to core development. Not sure why Mozilla isn’t doing the same. If I really want a LLM controlling a browser, playwright-cli works fine anyway.

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    [–] [S] 41 points 1 week ago (8 children)

    Mozilla choosing Mistral for Firefox Smart Window feels like a rare AI partnership that actually fits the product. Privacy, zero data retention and multilingual models are a much better match for Firefox than turning the browser into another Big Tech AI funnel.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    Why do almost all your comments sound like AI

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  • [–] 21 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    IMO nothing in that comment sounds particularly AI generated.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 week ago*

    Maybe not AI, but that specific comment does read like marketing copy. Then again, there is that list of three in there. That, plus just sounding like marketing, it could be AI. But I also concede that we, people that is, think in patterns of threes, so that's not a strictly an AI behavior, but I can see how someone could reach that conclusion.

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    [–] 33 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    As long as this is opt-in (i.e. disabled by default), then sure. Otherwise, I'll just have to find a new browser.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    ive been seeing screenshots of the new vibe coded new tab replacement that are totally broken and the redesigned ui has overly rounded components that cover up text components and hard coded "ai" purple gradients that are nearly impossible to turn off with going into about:config...

    So I have low expectations of this going well and seeing that second option in my future.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 week ago (6 children)

    As long as it's easy to turn off, I'm okay with it.

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  • [–] 43 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    It’s still code bloat. A lot of these new “features” should have been plug-ins.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    Mozilla can fuck right off with that forced ai horse shit.

    Waterfox is the way.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 week ago*

    I don’t trust any feature that uses the word “AI.”

    Ideally, such things should be transparent to the user. As in features that are useful without having to understand the underlying programming mechanisms.

    Take FF’s local translation. That’s an immensely useful feature. No one cares that it uses a language model or about any of the details, because it just works well enough, and is useful enough to stand on its own as an advantage over Chromium.

    …If they have to brand a feature to make it appealing, that’s a bad sign. Otherwise why TF would I want expensive tab sorting or things like that?

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  • [–] 18 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Even if LLMs were environmentally and socially sustainable they would still be a massive IP theft meant to make the rich even richer. Mozilla and Mistral can go eat a bag of dicks.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    I don't believe in IP, so that really doesn't bother me much. The problem is when information gets harvested from the public and suddenly becomes someone else's IP.

    So not really theft, more like gatekeeping, but as it stands, its the same result: rich get richer, we can agree on that.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 week ago

    I think that IP may be a good idea on paper, but as it stands it only benefits the powerful, as in "if I pirate content I risk having my life ruined, companies fed their LLMs with everything but the kitchen sink and nothing happened"

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  • [–] 18 points 1 week ago* (2 children)

    It doesn't say anything about how this works. "No data retention" suggests that data is going to a server that's processing it but then not retaining it. That's bad, this type of feature should run entirely on the client.

    Also, there's a proprietary AI model doing the work, even if inference is in the client. It says "open weight" but that's like letting people download a program as a compiled binary, the exact opposite of what FOSS is supposed to mean. It's an open/free model only if the training data and algorithms are also public, not just the trained weights.

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    [–] 17 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    I gotta admit, I don't really mind AI as long as it doesn't exist anywhere in any amount

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    [–] 17 points 1 week ago

    They should stop doing that, instead

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  • [–] 9 points 1 week ago (5 children)

    The translation feature has been very useful, though it's not an LLM. Still a neural network though. Saves me from going to google translate when browsing websites in e.g Russian (drive2.ru or whatever turns up in google search every so often when looking up obscure information on some cars and european oils that bitog forums don't see as much).

    It entirely depends on what the AI does and if it's opt-in, opt-out, or forced on you. Opt-in local AI with sensible features is actually a good thing IMO.

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    [–] 7 points 1 week ago* (3 children)

    tbh i would not mind it that much if its local LLM or if its opt-in (opt out as bare minimum)
    i also wonder if they are gonna use this for the built-in translator (if you think about it technically most translator software are AI,DEEPL uses a hybrid between LLMS and NMT IIRC. )

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