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[–] keyhoh@piefed.social 7 points 2 weeks ago (22 children)

Are you suggesting Air Canada, West Jet, etc, weren't shitty already?

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[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 17 points 2 weeks ago (20 children)

Those are airlines. Expect that type of service to begin as soon as you enter airport property instead of just when you’re interacting with the airline itself.

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[–] keyhoh@piefed.social 4 points 2 weeks ago (19 children)

Airports are already run by independent organizations called airport authorities, who build up everything around the airport and the airport itself. I don't think these authorities are going away, just adding members to their boards through investors. The airport authorities in Canada are all NGOs. In these cases, the airlines will be dealing with the authorities' board members, and all will want to keep people flying so I don't see a huge downgrade incoming.

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[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago (13 children)

The current Airport Authorities are non-profit organizations... Who would "invest" without the expectation of a ROI? even if the AAs are not going away, they will be overran by the new investors

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[–] keyhoh@piefed.social 1 point 2 weeks ago (12 children)

Yes they are NGOs, and the infrastructure isn't growing enough to meet the growing need. As Carney just said in his questions to the media, we need investment. So where is it going to come from?

Hear it from the horse's mouth. The first and third questions are directly relating to the airport investments. It sounds reasonable to me.

Carney answers questions at investment summit. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7y1MneiwFyo&pp=ygUIY2JjIG5ld3M%3D

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[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

and the infrastructure isn’t growing enough to meet the growing need.

Source?

we need investment. So where is it going to come from?

So how exactly are we protecting ourselves from the mad neighbour when all Carney seems bent on doing is selling valuable parts of our house to that very neighbour? We will end up with a Canada that is even more of a copy of the dumpter fire Murica is right now... I'd rather see it all go down in flames

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[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 weeks ago

Assumingly investments would come from siezed American assets.

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[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago* (3 children)

This same argument was made about sports complexes and the Internet as a whole. Enshittification is a real thing, and this is exactly the sort of move that drives it.

Sure they’ll still provide service, but you’ll be data mined, forced to watch and respond to ads, services will be gutted, security will be even more theatre than it already is — because there’s no alternative. This is a monopoly stake.

HOWEVER, for the select few, there will be private airport services for those who can pay. These services will avoid this race to the bottom until the larger service collapses under borrowing against future growth for current profits.

Why am I so sure of all this?

Because that’s how this playbook has ALWAYS played out. Every. Single. Time. And somewhere in there, regulatory capture rears its head as well.

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[–] keyhoh@piefed.social 1 point 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Maybe you're right, but then people just won't go, or they'll go to alternative airports which have now been invested in thanks to the influx of capital from the big four airports.

To think you're not already all of those things is naive, I'm sorry to say. There's already tons of ads around airports. You're already surveiled. Your info is collected and sold to companies. And, there is already a nicer tier for those willing to pay.

What this sounds like to me is more of the same, maybe to a higher degree, but we'll have infrastructure in the end.

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[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 weeks ago

How do people go to alternative airports?

For example, the closest airport to YVR is Abbotsford. Except it doesn’t service the same routes. So you end up having to drive to Seattle, Calgary or Edmonton to fly to… Seattle, Calgary or Edmonton?

The other airports listed have similar issues; for the services they provide, they are a regional monopoly.

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[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 weeks ago

Are you suggesting they can't get worse?

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[–] k0e3@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Canadian airports suck already

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[–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 1 point 2 weeks ago (2 children)

All the Canadian airports I've been to have been top notch. That includes YYZ, YYC, YHM, and YWG. In a month I'll in YVR for another data point. They've all been wonderful, professional, clean, and fast. Way faster than the ones I've been in USA and Mexico.

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[–] k0e3@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 weeks ago (1 child)

I agree they're clean, but they pale in comparison in terms of service, entertainment, professionalism, and competence against airports I've been to in Asia like Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, and China.

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[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 1 point 1 week ago

Those are the real deal to compare! the airports in the USA are garbage

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[–] swordgeek@lemmy.ca 48 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

As has been said before, "Canada doesn't have a PM, it has a CEO."

Fuck.

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[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

And, as per the response every time, at least we didn't have a clown.

We need to get this man a minority and get things fixed.

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[–] swordgeek@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

Absolutely.

The fact that Poilievre would be worse doesn't excuse Carney's shitty activity for a second. A Liberal minority government was the best situation possible, and the opposition had to ruin it all.

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[–] grte@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 weeks ago*

Remember that we gave Carney a minority government. He wheeled and dealed (read: bribed) his way to a majority. But that minority was probably not going to temper the Carney government the way it did the Trudeau government because Carney was perfectly happy to go to the Cons to get bills passed.

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[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

We need to stop the lesser evil shit, that's how the Americans ended up with Trump.

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[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 weeks ago

We need electoral reform so we get a government that more closely represents the people.

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[–] nik282000@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago

Do you always stand next to the dumbest kid in class so you look better? Canada is getting fucked over from the inside as much as it is from the outside. We need politicians who are not invertibrate bottom feeders.

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[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 35 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

The prime minister said the private money will be sought through "long-term concessions" to operate these airports, which would include Toronto Pearson International Airport, Vancouver International Airport, Trudeau International Airport in Montreal and Calgary International Airport.

"The government of Canada will retain ownership of the underlying land and assets, but we will unlock their true value by bringing in new capital and expertise to their operations and growth," Carney said during an address at the Canada Investment Summit in Toronto on Tuesday morning.

"We will reinvest the tens of billions of dollars of capital we raise into the infrastructure that Canada needs for the next generation."

I always felt Toronto Pearson could use some more expertise. /s

So the HWY 407 treatment. Expect lower wages for airport workers and higher prices for everyone.

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[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

What I don't get is the investors are going to want a return on their investment, the pro people seem to be forgetting that so they but a billion into Canada and take out 2 billion. How is that a good thing long term.

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[–] harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Albertan separatists just need to be patient. If this goes through, it'll make Canada much more like the USA.

Anyone who thinks it'd be only these four airports is fooling themselves.

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[–] DeadEndLink@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 weeks ago

Exactly

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[–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 2 weeks ago

Typical banker behavior.

[–] grte@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 weeks ago

Surely the problem with the last 40 years of economic decisionmaking is that we didn't privatize enough. Why not healthcare, next? Maybe instead of a national military we can simply hire mercenaries like Saudi Arabia. Because the private market always does things better and more efficiently.

[–] No_Eponym@lemmy.ca 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

I'm tired, so, so tired...

[–] ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace@piefed.ca 3 points 2 weeks ago

Me too, eh bud.