I bought an OG Vive about 5 years ago on Craigslist for $300 and honestly, it's still usable and a very representative experience of what VR can do, in my opinion. Looks like it can be had for under $200 these days.

I got a black Friday sale PSVR years ago for like $200, that's about the price point I'd need to upgrade.

Not happening anytime soon.

How much are used Indexes going for these days?

Ya, I'm going to convince my work to get one and I'll have my fun through there, but spending so much on VR is too much. I'm just not that into it. I probably would have gotten it if it was less though.

Yeah, you can bring up the plasma desktop in the headset and use it like the steamos desktop.

yeah but apparently from a leak the other day can only stream from Windows for now.

Yeah I think when Valve first came up with it, they also weren't expecting a four-figure price

The prices are exactly in line with what I expected, but I'm keenly aware of how availability and pricing of computer parts are currently affected by the LLM bubble.

I'd say as an Index owner, hold off. The frame is expensive and there still isn't a big library of must have VR games. The frame makes a bit more sense if you dont have a steam deck I guess but not much more at this price point. If youre just buying it for the VR experience then it may be a disappointment at the moment and at that price.

Sadly I thibk PC VR will continue to grow slowly as the Frame is too expensive to really expand the market. The AI tech bubble really sucks.

I have two of them.

It has a SD card slot so it's hard for me to justify the extra expense.

Its very unlikely a PCVR only version will come out; they won't want tp cannabalise sales for the frame and the big thing for them is this is an all-in-one which is the holy grail.

I doubt a refresh version will come out unless its cheaper components. Its likely the AI bubble will keep prices high for a while and the steam frame won't get the sales expected for some years. Hopefully though valve will be ready in a few years for frame 2 and prices may have normalised from this current madness.

I'd expect steam deck 2 in the next 2-3 years if prices come down, and frame won't be going anywhere for 5 years I think. Instead hopefully if component prices come down, frame prices will come down in the next 2 years.

The plan was likely cheaper but component prices are mad currently. It makes sense to launch but the price means it won't hit sales targets. Hopefully if the AI bubble bursts, component prices will drop and the Frame price will drop. But looks doubtful in the next year at least.

but the general idea is that the new should be better and cheaper.

Tbh, that doesn't really hold true anymore in the current tech market due to AI. RAM and Storage is several times more expensive than they were a year ago

Also, this has several years of sensor and hardware improvements over the Vive, so it doesn't need the separate sensors all over the room

If you already have an Index or Vive, or are willing to buy ones used you're better off doing that. But if you want a new headset this is likely the best you'll get without buying something that will sell all your data (aka Meta)

I think it depends where you’re coming from. For me:

• I owned an oculus 1 dev kit, and had some experience with VR a long time ago and enjoyed it, but there weren’t many games.
• Meta bought oculus and requires a meta account to even use their devices, so that’s a no for me.
• Valve index looked interesting, but I wasn’t aware of it at launch, and by the time I was, there were whispers of a successor, so I wanted to wait.

So I have no VR headset and I want to get into again. From my research, this is the best all around non-meta headset on the market (especially if you’re getting the color pass through accessory). Plus I love Valve’s whole model of making things free, open source, and interpretable. So supporting them financially is fine by me as well.