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[–] [S] 92 points 1 month ago (92 children)

If you consider depreciation and increasing gas prices, getting a 1 or 2 year old EV today is the best financial decision for those having that budget. It will also work for lesser budgets.

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  • [–] 73 points 1 month ago (30 children)

    If you consider depreciation

    Maybe I'm weird, but I never consider depreciation. If the car is worth anything more than scrap value, it's not yet time for a new car.

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  • [–] 42 points 1 month ago

    I drove a 20+ year old car up until I had a kid, and suddenly I started to care about those safety features from the previous 20 years (like airbags and crumple zone improvements).

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    Unfortunately, you can't ignore depreciation. It's rarely possible to actually drive a car into the dirt, as they can last for hundreds of thousands of miles if properly maintained.

    Even if you intend to drive the car into the ground, you usually can't. Every time you get on the road it's a roll of the dice. Over enough time, eventually you roll snake eyes. You can be the best driver in the world, you can't beat physics. If someone pulls out of a parking lot right in front of you, you're going to crash. You can't skill your way out of minimum stopping distance.

    And this happens, depreciation matters regardless of your choices. The insurance company is going to offer you a settlement based on the depreciated value of the vehicle. Sure, in theory you could say, "well, they gave me the value of a 10 year old car, so I'm just going to buy another copy of the same car I just totaled!" But that rarely works in practice. Once they get that old, you really have to worry if the old owner took care of it properly or not. Driving a car into the dirt works well when you can be the original owner and know that the maintenance has been kept up with.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago

    I said I'd drive my first car until the wheels fell off.

    Well, one day it actually did, coming around a bend on a highway. Fortunately there weren't many other people driving out at the time. I ended up flipping it over on the embankment, single-car collision.

    I stayed true to my word. Never fucking said it about another car since.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    In the context of OP, depreciation means that a “$50K when new” car may only be worth ~$35K if you choose to buy it 1-2 years later.

    So it’s not so much about it’s residual value at any point in time, but rather how EVs tend to have a steeper depreciation curve at the beginning - making lightly used models a more attractive bargain.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    Then assume straight line depreciation between the car brand new and the car when it is scrap. If a $60,000 car lasts 20 years and you own it the whole time, you can consider the depreciation to be $3000/year if you'd like.

    Either way, at the end of the car's useful life you need to be prepared to pony up more money to buy the next one.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    It matters if you are in a collision for the payout.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 month ago (24 children)

    I got a new 2025 ID. BUZZ for 63k a few weeks back. Any EV with that many seats is expensive and hard to find on our used market here. I think that was a decent price considering initially it retailed around 90K

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    My sister has my old leaf and 2 kids. The leaf is the household car. The grocery getter. The child fetcher. When they announced the buzz she wanted one so goddamn bad. It’s the return of the minivan in electric form. Exactly what she wants but alas cannot afford.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (35 children)

    If you consider depreciation, that 1 or 2 year old EV today will take a much deeper plunge over the next 5 years than a 1 or 2 year old ICE vehicle, unless something changes rapidly or they change battery warranties to be 15 years or more.

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  • [–] [S] 8 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    You'll need to show data for that. Depreciation is not linear. The first year is worst and then not so bad.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago* (7 children)

    You can look up used car prices yourself. But sure.

    2 year old E-Tron for 65k

    5 year old E-Tron for 25k

    That 5 year old one is starting to look like a pretty good bargain already. The 2 year old one not so much.

    I can find you tons more pairs for EVs that have lost a ton of value going from 1-2 to 5-6 years old if you still don't believe me, but we'll have to discuss my hourly rate if I'm going to be working for you.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago* (14 children)

    Unless you are getting an old Nissan leaf, you’re probably going to be fine. Todays EV batteries are so energy dense they undergo less strain than the old versions.

    There were 2 problems with early EV batteries. First, they were not actively cooled and could cook themselves to death over time. Today’s batteries have their own climate control.

    Second, they were not very energy dense, so when they were being charged or discharged, you were moving a larger proportion of overall capacity in a short amount of time. Batteries do not like that. But as the capacities grew, the instantaneous load on the batteries dropped, so they didn’t have to work as hard to do the same thing. So they weren’t as abused and last longer.

    Event first gen Chevy volts are rolling around happily on their original batteries with no noticeable loss in capacity to this day.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 month ago

    Let us buy BYDs you fucking cowards!

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  • [–] 22 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Just bought a '23 Audi e-tron with 12k miles. It was less then half it's new sticker price. My neighbors are already asking to find out if they should take the plunge.

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    [–] 18 points 1 month ago (16 children)

    EV prices falling to 50K 🫠 I'll keep my shitty diesel for now, I'm afraid.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Decent EV 3 years old 15 to 20k mileage with warranty run between 15 to 30k. Almost no maintenance and depending on the vehicle half to a tenth the price of gas. You can easily save 5k a year on maintenance and gas. Plus you aren't killing people with air pollution.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago (2 children)
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    [–] 17 points 1 month ago

    50k! Holy fuck!

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    what country is this? EV prices are lower

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  • [–] 18 points 1 month ago

    USA is. Bought an EV last year for 19k, today I could buy the newer version used for probably 18k and my vehicle has a trade in value of 16.5k. last year maintenance was the cost of wiper fluid. This year I don't see any maintenance costs. The car is new enough it still has a warranty.
    The best part is I charge it at home @8 to 12 cent per KWH. Meaning I pay an average 6 cents per mile, depending on charge time and driving. Plus the electric company is 100 percent solar.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    This is the US average transaction price. So someone who buys a new $150,000 car will get averaged in, same as someone who buys a new $30,000 car. The weighted average shows what people are actually buying but doesn't say much about what is available. Most new car buyers are less price sensitive (if they were looking to save money, they'd be buying used), and the richest people are overrepresented because they buy new cars more frequently. Someone who buys a new car once every two years will have 5 transactions counted into this metric for every 1 transaction by someone who buys once every ten years.

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    [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    these prices are crazy

    my honda 2008 109 hp lawn mower will be hauling my ass for the forceable future

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    People still have money for brand new cars?

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