It's also hypocritical because companies fully expect you to pretend to like your job for their own satisfaction.
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Plus the unpaid commute for many of us, which is both lengthy and expensive in many cases
The worst part of my day, the worst part almost every single day, is when I have to unwrap myself from the arms of those who love me the most before getting in a vehicle and driving away from them at the maximum legal speed. All the nonsense at work I can mostly handle. I even have a job where I can be creative, I've got a job so cool that if I mentioned my job title, nobody would believe me.
But I really just want to be home with my wife.
But I really just want to be home with my wife.
Sorry, can't have that until you're 65-70. Then you'll just be sitting in hospitals with each other and figuring out how you'll pay for end-of-life care.
I’ve got a job so cool that if I mentioned my job title, nobody would believe me.
Is it "CAD monkey," perchance?
That's part of what I do.
Ah, Projectwise admin...
I don't... think so?
Im sort of an emergency draftsman. Someone sends in some piece of machinery that is broken/worn out. Said machine is taken apart. Any parts that need to be replaced are dropped on my desk (if they are small enough) and im asked to figure out what this scrap metal used to look like, so I can make a 3D model and drawing of it. That drawing is given to someone who actually knows what they are doing, and they will replicate the part.
This leaves me with random downtime, I have used that time the last year or so to study and get my drone license.
And that's the cool part. I'm a drone pilot. Ten year old me is looking on with approval.
There's a difference between accepting your job and liking it.
A job has always been necessary. Even if you live of the land you still have to put in the work to survive.
Part of the problem is many of us can’t describe what a good job is. So we just stick with what we got.
Also, not all jobs are sitting at a desk looking at a screen.
I got lucky and found a job I actually enjoyed doing. Yes, I'd take the occasional mental health day, but most Mondays I went to work feeling pretty okay.
I think that's a misunderstanding of the intent. Obviously having a miserable job will make you miserable. But not everyone has to have a job that is their life's great passion. It's OK to have a job that just pays the bills. It's OK to not care about your work.
That's the part that CEOs hate to hear. Capitalism wants everyone to believe that their work has to define them, has to be the most important thing they do. Because if you get people to believe that then 1) that depresses wages for the "meaningful" jobs by creating more competition, and 2) it sells the lie that you have to go above and beyond because if you're not treating your job as a calling then you're failing at life.
It's OK to clock out on time. It's OK to put in the minimum effort required. It's OK to care about your work life balance. And it's OK to find a job that just pays the bills and doesn't stress you out.
Exactly. You don't have to like your job.
But you can't spend half your life doing something you hate.
And in the middle is where I guess most people are, a job is just a means to an end.
Pradoxically, I think for a lot of people, understanding that your job doesn't have to be your passion is actually the key to not hating it. People push themselves to give everything they have to their work in the belief that it somehow brings meaning to their lives, or they put up with endless abuse to do a job just because it's something they're passionate about. Those same people might be a lot more happy and less stressed if they were willing to check out and just let their job be a job, or find some work that pays the bills while they pursue their passions as a hobby instead.
I think another thing that people miss is that anything you HAVE to do (i.e. responsibility) is going to get old at some point. My "dream" would be to make its as a musician, but even that would get tiring and monotonous at some point after doing it over and over again. I mean, I'd still take that life, but every job has plusses and minuses.
There is also a lot to be said about colleagues and company culture. It's better to do a job where you're not that invested in doing it with great colleagues in a great company than having your dream job in your dream field in a completely toxic environment.
CEOs and other managers that are like "you should do more work for me for free" are bad people who should not be allowed to lead
Like my old CEO at a startup wanted people to work nights and weekends to hit deadlines. I'm like, if we make it big you get rich and I get the same salary. That's a horrible deal for me. Give me a lot of equity and we'll talk.
I prefer "work to live, not live to work".
I have a very professional job. I could of I wanted to absolutely pour my entire life essence into this job and I would probably make more money than I make now and be more professionally successful.
But in reality, my career is and will always be a way to support me and my family. Bottom line.
You should absolutely be looking for a job and a career that gives you balance, wherever that balance may be for you personally.
Honestly I have never heard anyone give the advice in that post anyway...
I've wanted to blow my brains out at every job I've ever had except the one I currently have.
I decided that I was going to blow my brains out unless I could find a job that treated me with respect, paid me fairly, and gave me decent benefits, without piling on so much work that I felt like I was being physically crushed.
I got lucky and after 1,000,000 applications and basically at the end of my rope, I finally got it. Or, honestly, I probably would have blown my brains out cuz I was pretty much over this shit.
Our work culture is fucking dogshit.
Man, I live in a county dominated by a military base. It has been and still is hard finding suitable work that is not department of defense or a contractor. If I had a job that supported our military it would be weighing heavy on me.
Same, but whole state. I was able to for a good while but have been laid off from anyone who isn't, which is like 3 places. I knew going into the engineering college that I did was pipeline to the labs, but I promised to never work for the military or any federal contractor. Or even anything tangentially related.
I just want to be a farmer now. Sell eggs and peppers at the farmers market. I don't need much to live.
i want a job close to home, where my boss makes sure im not working too hard and kicks us out when its time to clock out. i would honestly do pretty much anything for a boss like that. these MBA cunts think they need to squeeze every drop of blood from us but dont realize that if they just treated us like humans with a little fucking compassion theyd get so much more.
I used to complain to my dad about my truly horrible jobs, and he would always say something along the lines of “No one likes their job.” and treat it as if all jobs are equally bad, so I should stop complaining.
About six months after he retired he realized he had legitimate PTSD because his jobs were so awful, but he had to fully relax before he could even feel it. He’s a lot more empathetic now, but my current job is actually nice.
Same story here.
My parents had to step out of the shithole grind they'd been normalized to before getting enough perspective to have sympathy. And even then, they didn't have to deal with one million applications and a super intensely competitive job market with shitstain computer moderated hiring processes that we do. They had their career jobs by their late 20s. I didn't get mine until 35 and that was after a super long job hunt and crazy background check and living pretty near poverty level the whole time.
My dad liked to think that me complaining about jobs meant I didn't want to work and jerk off all day. Nah. I wanted to be treated with human decency and not worked like a machine until I burned out, without much to show for it.
Our work culture is dogshit.
It's a spectrum.
I wasn't diagnosed with ADHD until I was 30 - that diagnosis helped a lot.
When I was growing up, I was convinced I was going to be a programmer like my dad. And when I was seeking work, I was trying to work my way up doing tech support to get my foot into the tech door.
The problem is that this was in the late 90s, before chat support (which I was much better at surviving). Telephone support sucked. I'm good at it, but I passionately hate it. I kept getting jobs doing it.
I remember once of them, around 2003, I got a job for a cable internet provider. Went through training, got out on the floor. I lasted about two weeks and one day I literally could not talk myself into going to work.
That's really not what they're talking about. In my case, I had to find something else to do.
All the saying really means is that it's okay if you don't enjoy your job - that you don't wake up and go HOLY SHIT I GET TO GO TO WORK COME ON LET'S GO GO GOOOOOO. You do have to survive, of course. And if you're in a shitty place, if you can find a better place, go for it.
But it's okay if you're mostly just ticking the hours at work and you can find your passions outside of it.
You also have to be able to stand up and stop after-hours bullshit, too. That is stolen labour and is illegal.
But it is complicated, sure. One simple saying is not This Is The Rulebook For Everyone's Life.
"A job" is the modern equivalent of "finding enough berries to stay alive for a few more days" or "going through the crops on your hands and knees picking weeds and killing pests".
It's insane to think that a job is supposed to be fun. A job is what you have to do to survive.
Some extremely lucky people will actually find something that they love doing, are good at, and that people are actually willing to pay them money to do. If you're among the richest billion people on the planet, you may be lucky enough to have a job that's boring, unfulfilling, but not dangerous and doesn't involve back breaking labour.
For most people on the planet, a job is whatever you have to do to get a roof over your head and enough to eat for the next meal. Of course it's going to suck, and it's probably going to be a lot more than 40 hours a week. But, the alternative is death.
If you are one of those richest billion people and you have a job you hate, but you could do a job that's only unfulfilling and boring, by all means, switch.
Nah, fuck this.
If we were allowed to do just what is necessary for survival we would spend way, way less time on it than we do working now. Picking weeds from a crop just big enough to support a family does not take 40 hours a week 52 weeks a year. Picking berries does not require you to check with a supervisor before you're allowed to pee during working hours. We live in a form of indentured servitude, which eats most of our waking hours and provides a host of genuine physical and mental health issues.
The sentiment in the comment I'm responding to is reductionist nonsense borne of corporate brainwashing.
This shit has nothing to do with "a job should be sunshine and rainbows" and everything to do with "working a 60 hour work week to displace more wealth into the hands of a few people is not and should not be seen as fine".
If we were allowed to do just what is necessary for survival we would spend way, way less time on it than we do working now
Sure, bud.
Picking weeds from a crop just big enough to support a family does not take 40 hours a week 52 weeks a year
Sure, bud. I guess you've never met a farmer? It's famous as one of those 9-5 jobs with weekends off, isn't it?
We live in a form of indentured servitude
Sure, bud. That famous form of indentured servitude where you get nights and weekends off, and are free to change bosses at any time.
I guess one gets real accustomed to the taste of boot.
I guess one has spent too much time in church or movies or something, believing that there's some utopia where berries gratefully fall off bushes into our waiting hands, if only the durn gubmint, or frickin capitalists would get out of our way.
My dude, I live on a hobby farm. Complete with livestock. I have giant blackberry bushes.
But please tell me more about how sitting at a desk all day making money for people who don't know you exist is just so natural. Modern day berry picking even.
My dude, I live on a hobby farm. Complete with livestock. I have giant blackberry bushes.
That's great my dude. My dude, what fraction of your yearly calories come from this hobby farm, my dude? My dude, are you able to actually meet your nutritional needs with this hobby? My dude, is this farm just a hobby? If it meets all your needs, why do you work at all, my dude?
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