A Griffith University study published in BMJ Public Health on Wednesday found a levy applied to non-alcoholic drinks with added sugar, such as soft drinks and most juices, could prevent 3.7 million cases of tooth decay, 191,000 cases of gum disease, and 115,000 cases of complete tooth loss across Australia over the next 25 years.
You are massively more likely to die of a preventable cause of death if you are on a low income. Increasing taxes on low income earners is only going to make them poorer and sicker.
So why not increase taxes on companies and higher income earners and increase wages and benefits?
No no you see, we can't have that, for, reasons (profit). We have to make realistic decisions. We're responsible...
My view is we need to make healthcare completely public, the Medicare private rebate model sucks and will leave us forever chasing our tail with out-of-pocket costs.
Nah, these always go into general revenue. End up in the hands of KPMG, some politician's family child care, job seeker business, or a religious enterprise. Can't have free dental because we have to buy submarines that won't be delivered so we can have a war with our biggest trading partner.
It's not proposed as a revenue raiser, it's intended as a public health measure.
The idea is that people buy less sugary drinks and have better dental health.
Your concerns raise a valid point, though, that revenue raised (and $1.4B isn't nothing) should be directly funneled into new programmes that benefit the working class. The study suggests that the money go into dental and other health services, but I've also seen proposals for using the revenue to cross-subsidise fresh food.
Either way, the working class could see a net benefit to their bottom line from government subsidies (which benefit from efficiencies of scale) and because they'll have less need of dental and other health services if they reduce their sugar intake.
Look man, they can use all the fancy words they want to try to convince me it's for the greater good or whatever. It really doesn't matter to me, all I hear is 'another thing you enjoy is going to rise in price' and these days that's all I fucking hear. Sick of it mate.
It still won't be equal. No more tax that targets working folk, tax wealth!! There's so much of it that Australia could very easily create the richest citizenry in the entire world just by nationalising the rocks we mine. Imagine if Gina and Clive and all those fat fucking rapists actually had to pay their fair share? Imagine the utopia that could fund! But no, instead let's make yet another working class luxury become more expensive. Fuck this place.
I think a reduction is sensible yeah, any tax that targets working class consumers during a cost of living crisis is immoral IMO. The government has access to so many levers to generate wealth that doesn't involve fucking us battlers in the ass, they can pull from one of those if they need the dosh.
So this is why who can’t buy soft drink that doesn’t taste like grass clippings?
Stevia is the most disgusting flavour ever created.
And don’t give me any crap about it being “Natural”. There are plenty of natural compounds that are sweet and poisonous!
I've always believed that just like some people hate coriander (cilantro), some people hate certain sweeteners. Like it's a genetic thing where they can taste things others cannot. Most people I speak to seem to enjoy Stevia and Aspartame for some reason, but I can't stand it
Yay, more sugar alcohols causing allergies, stomach cramps and the shits. Millions of people suffering reduced productivity and lower life quality. But we got to punish the poor/fat people for being poor/fat.
Taking glucose-fructose out of drinks and replacing with sweeteners accomplishes nothing. The rush of insulin starts from the sensation of sweetness, before blood glucose levels spike. The brain signals the pancreas to be ready.
The US switched to sweeteners and diabetes rates skyrocketed decades after. The actual safety of amino acid analogs is still suspect but it's a massive industry corrupt with governments.
What needs to be regulated is the bliss point of how much sweetness is allowed in drinks, and to tax sweet drinks, including juices and use the money to subsidize flavored fizzy waters with no sweetness, and just water. It is INSANE what we allow Nestle to charge for water.
Not a bad idea in theory. But sweet, carbonated beverages (on the shelf; the refrigerated bottles are kinda expensive) are one of the last, somewhat inexpensive products in supermarkets. And let's not pretend that most of the companies will shift to alternative sweeteners... Possibly causing different ill effects on the gut... Yeah, I dunno.
But sweet, carbonated beverages (on the shelf; the refrigerated bottles are kinda expensive) are one of the last, somewhat inexpensive products in supermarkets.
That's exactly the problem it's intended to address. It's cheap to buy, and expensive in its consequences.
I've seen it proposed that revenue from such a tax be used to subsidise fresh food, so that's another option that would double the nudge towards healthier options while being hip-pocket-neutral for shoppers (the devil is always in the detail, of course).
I understand that. But let's not pretend that people are going to switch to fresh produce. They'll find a way to afford the now more expensive sodas at the literal expense of malnutrition. Some may, yes, I won't deal in absolutes.
This could be seen as an education problem (which it definitely is, in part) so perhaps that's where the money could also be spent?
Shit's just expensive and I'm mad about it 😅
Not sure how they could implenent this without the companies just passing it on to consumers. They put sugar and corn syrup in everything, even things that don't need it.
We already had this in the UK. All the drinks got reformulated, often without alternative, with cheap artificial sweeteners. If you like an occasional sugary drink hit you’re shit out of luck (except for classic coke at least).
The levy as outlined in the article, as @blind3rdeye@aussie.zone pointed out, is intended to be passed on to the consumer, with the price increase causing people to consume fewer sugary drinks. If they didn't pass it on, it would have no effect on dental health.
From the article:
Assuming a 20 per cent tax is passed on in full to consumers, the study predicted the price increase would result in a 24 per cent reduction in consumption.
However, there are ways you can design a policy like this to reduce the cost to consumers while still having an effect on dental health. In the UK, their levy is only applied to a drink "if it contains at least 5 grams (g) of sugar per 100 millilitres (ml) in its ready to drink or diluted form." As as result, the UK soft drink industry reformulated their drinks to fall below that amount (often by partially substituting non-sugar sweeteners) so that they wouldn't have to pay the tax at all and they wouldn't need to pass it on to consumers or absorb it.
From the article:
In 2018, the United Kingdom introduced a tax of 19.4 or 25.9 pence per litre, depending on the sugar content of beverages.
It led to a 46 per cent reduction in the sugar contained in soft drinks, the UK government said, with nearly 90 per cent of the market now containing sugar below the level at which the tax applies.
To explore the impact of possible industry responses, we also modelled product reformulation scenarios with 50% and 100% sugar reductions (and no consumer response) and 50% and 80% pass through scenarios.
The health impact of the SSB tax is up to three times larger with 50% reformulation as compared with the base case and nearly five times with 100% reformulation.
Since the UK's policy has resulted in a 46% reformulation, we have a clear real-world template for bringing about a 50% reformulation and the health benefits that would accompany it.
I think passing it on to consumers is an assumed part of the idea; discouraging people from consuming drinks with added sugar, and thus discouraging companies from making and marketing such drinks.
One would hope so, yes. I don't disagree. But personally I think it's gonna go the same way as cigarettes and alcohol. Sugar is in everything, so the price of everything wil go up.
Sugar is in everything, so the price of everything wil go up.
You don't have to apply the levy to everything. The proposal the article is about is specifically "a levy applied to non-alcoholic drinks with added sugar, such as soft drinks and most juices".
all 40 comments