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[–] 2 points 24 minutes ago

Good on her for working to try to help others trapped in similar situations and for attempting to resist while in

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  • [–] 1 point 1 hour ago

    Wow did not see this coming

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  • [–] 31 points 5 hours ago (1 child)

    According to Flores, in the years that followed she passed information about artists and political activists to the security service.

    This is traitorous. Imagine an anti-establishment friend and confidant were doing this to you.

    Why are people defending this?

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  • [–] 37 points 5 hours ago (1 child)

    Because she was a hostage. It's akin to human trafficking with threats backing this up.

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  • [+] -10 points 3 hours ago (1 child)

    It's the prisoners' dilemma and she made her choice.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 hours ago (1 child)

    How do you believe this is the Prisoner's Dilemma?

    I think 99.9% would make the same choice.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

    She chose to betray her associates to improve her own situation.

    You may believe 99% of people would make that choice, but I don't think you have any evidence for that.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 hours ago (1 child)

    They were threatening her family. If you know anything about the FSB you know these are not idle threats. She chose to cooperate to prevent harm to her family and at the same time tried to get out from under the assignment she got from the FSB.

    Reducing this to a prisoners dilemma is really not helpful for predicting real people's responses to situations like that.

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  • [–] 2 points 29 minutes ago

    Her family is safe now? I doubt it. This is exactly the prisoners' dilemma and why that thought experiment exists.

    Russia is happy someone as visible as this is showing they were turned.

    This sucks all around, for her, for anyone who hates fascism.

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  • [–] 23 points 8 hours ago

    Harrowing story, hope she's okay

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  • [+] -66 points 8 hours ago* (5 children)

    So she's a rat, playing as a revolutionary and rolled over for putin/fsb with a bit of pressure. I bet she was a rat from the word go.

    Oh and she got paid, lower than a rat.

    I will die on my feet before I become a traitor.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 hours ago (1 child)

    I will let them torture my mother to death before I become a traitor

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  • [–] 52 points 6 hours ago (1 child)

    The article details the several ways she sabotaged their information gathering attempts and how she eventually had to leave after she was told to get involved in an assassination attempt. Meanwhile, you are a TIE fighter pilot for the empire as far as I can tell.

    She didn't offer herself up to "be a rat", she was threatened and detained over and over again while they tried to butter her up, acting like she was helping them was the most immediate way to stop the harassment until she eventually left on her own. She could just have as easily complied, become rich, and had no one know about her complicity.

    More tankies and tankie tactics should be outed this way.

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  • [+] -52 points 6 hours ago (5 children)

    Listen you threaten me or try to blackmail me first thing I would do is out myself. Say they had pics of me in womans underwear I would call myself out. Threaten me w/ incarceration I go loudly public.

    You take the power from them, grow a pair and hit it so hard head on they will shrink away. Best disinfectant is sunlight.

    I die w/ my boots on.

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  • [–] 1 point 32 minutes ago

    Or in other words, you get immediately quashed, your existence meant nothing, and you get to reveal nothing. Quite a pipe dream to think you are "going loudly publicly" in Russia. I'll take the "rat" any day of the week over ineffective/false bravado, at least one actually ratted out what needed to be ratted out while the other just goes to Siberia indefinitely.

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  • [–] 45 points 5 hours ago (1 child)

    you threaten me or try to blackmail me first thing I would do is [blah blah blah]

    This is just you daydreaming from the safety of your comfy armchair. Unless you've actually been personally harassed and threatened by agents of the state who can do pretty much whatever they want in pursuit of their goals, you can't honestly say how you'd react.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 hours ago

    This is why when someone threatened my family, I just pushed them out the window myself. Can't give them that power over you.

    Sometimes, if you go to hit something head-on, you'll just get a split skull.

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  • [–] 13 points 5 hours ago (1 child)

    And alone, with nobody mourning your loss.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 hours ago*

    Say they threatened to kill your whole family, everyone in your contacts list, everyone who owes you money, everyone you owe money, everyone you ever loved or liked. What are you going to do?

    If you were part of an institution of mission-oriented people, they could help protect your family and loved ones, and the people you care about. But the price of joining that institution is that you have to put yourself in harm's way as your new way of life.

    If that appeals to you, you're in luck. There are lots of institutions in the world looking for new recruits. Go get'em tiger.

    Otherwise, your commitment to opposition is only as strong as your permission to let the things you love die as a result of your commitment to the cause.

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  • [–] 32 points 7 hours ago (1 child)

    When they are threatening your family, things change

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  • [+] -49 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

    I have no family, all are long gone. Even if apples don't fall far from the tree.

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  • [–] 17 points 4 hours ago (1 child)

    Yet she does have family so obviously situation is completely different than yours. I'm not sure if you've ever heard of the word empathy that you may want to check Merriam Webster

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  • [–] 20 points 6 hours ago (1 child)

    Certainly explains how wrapped up in yourself you are - to the exclusion of any objective reality.

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  • [–] 20 points 8 hours ago (1 child)

    I don't know if you'd still say that when the FSB starts poisoning your underwear

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  • [+] -46 points 8 hours ago (1 child)

    Be that as it may, at least I'm not a bought traitor.

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  • [–] 44 points 7 hours ago (1 child)

    Internet tough guys will always be funny to me.

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  • [+] -38 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

    I know what I am, and I have never folded under pressure. And certainly not for money that means fuck all when I die. I can look in the mirror and not feel ashamed. Can she?

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  • [–] 24 points 7 hours ago (1 child)

    Imagine my surprise at your inability to feel shame

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