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[–] 88 points 3 weeks ago (145 children)

Two years ago, Zainab Bibi Ahmed thought she had turned her back on the Democrats for good.

People like that helped get Trump elected. Harris was far from the ideal candidate, but she would have been far and away better than Trump.

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  • [–] 69 points 3 weeks ago (60 children)

    You win with the electorate you have, not the one you want.

    People are idiots. Expect this.

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  • [–] 87 points 3 weeks ago (57 children)

    If it’s this easy to win them back and the Democrats couldn’t even bother, who’s the real idiot? They thought they could discard these votes and found out they couldn’t. Figure out how to continue treating them like people with understandable sorrow about the genocide in Gaza, or keep losing 🤷‍♂️

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  • [–] 63 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)

    There can be more than one idiot in a given situation

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  • [–] 22 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    If it’s this easy to win them back and the Democrats couldn’t even bother, who’s the real idiot?

    You've hit the nail on the head for why so many people have been upset and frustrated with how terrible the dems are. They'd rather lose votes to stay center than do anything that keeps voters voting for them

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  • [–] 19 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

    What makes you think they were genuinely trying to win? They have no interest in changing the status quo. It's been very good to them.

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  • [–] 55 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

    Here's something I've wondered about for a while now: Why do some voters have to be assiduously courted, and it's a failure of the candidate if she doesn't win them over, while for other voters the blame falls on the voters if they don't fall in line and vote for the candidate?

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  • [–] 33 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    Why do some voters have to be assiduously courted, and it's a failure of the candidate if she doesn't win them over

    Because that's literally the job of a politician running for office.

    for other voters the blame falls on the voters if they don't fall in line and vote for the candidate?

    Because of tribalist authoritarianism and gaslighting.

    It's much easier to get away with ignoring the wants and needs of your constituency when you convince them that it's about teams, not policies.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 weeks ago

    It's much easier to get away with ignoring the wants and needs of your constituency when you convince them that it's about teams, not policies.

    This right here.

    Mine was a loaded question. After decades of this stuff, it's entirely clear to me that the difference is that Democrats do not have policy to offer many voters, so all that they have to fall back on is team boosterism. If Harris did have something substantive to offer these Michigan voters, she and her supporters would've offered it.

    But they didn't, so all that they had left is what we see: Blame and derision.

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  • [–] [S] 37 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

    Didn't the DNC send Bill Clinton to Michigan and when confronted about the lackluster response of the DNC against the genocide, he started telling the attendees that it's Israel's right to the whole thing and they were there first? To a room full of Arab Americans?

    https://truthout.org/articles/bill-clinton-sparks-outrage-for-racist-comments-on-gaza-at-harris-rally/

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  • [–] 21 points 3 weeks ago* (6 children)

    From an outsider looking in,

    Trump may have been necessary to get America on the right track. Had they voted Kamala in, things wouldn’t change. She even said that on the campaign trail.

    If you boil it down to the barest of reasons, Trump was voted in because people wanted change. He’s a liar, a scumbag, and a rapist, and as much as you and I think the other side is dumb as fuck for voting him in, both sides realize that change is needed.

    Now that Trump has been allowed to fuck things up so bad it seems that Americans are actually learning how their political system works and doing what they should have been doing all along. (Mainly voting in primaries, from my POV.)

    I hope the upcoming elections reel him in (Preferably all the way to jail) and you guys can actually get people working to improve the country. Keep it up, Americans.

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  • [–] 17 points 3 weeks ago (11 children)

    First don't muddy the waters with things like "far from ideal;" we know what she was: a genocidal piece of shit. To some people there's a maximum number of pictures of dismembered children after which these things don't matter anymore.

    On the other hand, from an electoral strategy standpoint it's not like weathering the Trump storm is going to mean victory for democracy; MAGA is ultimately a product of current living conditions, and Trump is nothing more than the demagogue they coalesced around. They're only going to get worse until either democracy collapses or someone (probably a leftist) changes things for the better. Time is on their side, not yours. Vote blue no matter who is only an optimal strategy if you refuse to think about anything beyond the next four years. These people made the price of their vote abundantly clear as part of an organized large movement; they did everything right and the Democrats refused to listen.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    We’ll see how this all pans out.

    Harris was far from the ideal candidate, but she would have been far and away better than Trump.

    I agree and was furious with those who kept that stance. I respected them still.

    We would be better today but the progressives and DemSocs could be the change our country has been truly needing. If Harris won it wouldn’t be as bad now but it would all be very much status quo since the 80s.

    We have an opportunity because of the bullshit we’re dealing with.

    We shall see.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (6 children)

    Harris would have been far better than Trump is a bit line saying "Joe, the car thief, is better than Mike, the serial mass murderer"

    If Harris had won, the Democratic party would have kept in it's corrupt, corporate minion state.

    A silver lining in the Trump disaster is that the Demicrat establishment is being shaken.

    EDIT: I was going to correct "Demicrat", but considering that "demi" means half, I'm going to keep it that way.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (9 children)

    You have been banned from lemmy.dbzer0.com

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  • [–] 11 points 3 weeks ago* (3 children)

    I do think it's a bit ludicrous that much conflict in the Threadiverse stems from discussions about Israel and Palestine when the vast majority of users are pro-Palestine in one form or another, merely having differing views in the context of being pro-Palestine.

    Far less divides the users here than many might think. People letting those differences get to their heads and not being willing to engage with each other civilly is harming the platform.

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    [–] 36 points 3 weeks ago

    only because of the shutdown last year, most of the DNC made it clear they sided with israel, and by extension gop policies. if they resisted the shutdown longer the gop would suffer far more politically. the gop got everything they ever wanted from that deal.

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  • [–] 33 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    There is no evidence of a mass (or even mid) exodus of left voters in any recent elections. This narrative that has been crafted where Democrats blame the left for losing is societal cancer.

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  • [–] 26 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    The left vote is both an inconsequential amount of voters that the Democrats shouldn't cater to at all while also being so large in size it's entirely responsible for them not winning.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 weeks ago

    Really the problem is the Democrats haven't gone far enough right. The Republican party in their rush into actual god emporer fascism has left an entire quadrant of racist right wing voters completely free for the picking! Suckers.

    I apologise for the dark satire. I do think a better world is possible. Sometimes it's just harder to see than others.

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    [–] 26 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    If we weren't stuck in this two party system, the Democratic party would have been made obsolete a long time ago.

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    [–] 18 points 3 weeks ago

    I like how this comments section perfectly sums up the democratic party.

    Two denialists who think he's fake and a copist about Harris's loss

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  • [–] 17 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    It was Biden/Harris, that helped Trump get elected.

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    [–] 11 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Be prepared. The propaganda machine is gonna be ramping up to full soon.

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    [–] 10 points 3 weeks ago

    They LEFT the Democrats? What happened to Vote BLUE no Matter WHO!

    -People who said to vote INDEPENDENT when THEIR Blue lost the Primary!

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