You win with the electorate you have, not the one you want.

People are idiots. Expect this.

Here's something I've wondered about for a while now: Why do some voters have to be assiduously courted, and it's a failure of the candidate if she doesn't win them over, while for other voters the blame falls on the voters if they don't fall in line and vote for the candidate?

Didn't the DNC send Bill Clinton to Michigan and when confronted about the lackluster response of the DNC against the genocide, he started telling the attendees that it's Israel's right to the whole thing and they were there first? To a room full of Arab Americans?

https://truthout.org/articles/bill-clinton-sparks-outrage-for-racist-comments-on-gaza-at-harris-rally/

From an outsider looking in,

Trump may have been necessary to get America on the right track. Had they voted Kamala in, things wouldn’t change. She even said that on the campaign trail.

If you boil it down to the barest of reasons, Trump was voted in because people wanted change. He’s a liar, a scumbag, and a rapist, and as much as you and I think the other side is dumb as fuck for voting him in, both sides realize that change is needed.

Now that Trump has been allowed to fuck things up so bad it seems that Americans are actually learning how their political system works and doing what they should have been doing all along. (Mainly voting in primaries, from my POV.)

I hope the upcoming elections reel him in (Preferably all the way to jail) and you guys can actually get people working to improve the country. Keep it up, Americans.

First don't muddy the waters with things like "far from ideal;" we know what she was: a genocidal piece of shit. To some people there's a maximum number of pictures of dismembered children after which these things don't matter anymore.

On the other hand, from an electoral strategy standpoint it's not like weathering the Trump storm is going to mean victory for democracy; MAGA is ultimately a product of current living conditions, and Trump is nothing more than the demagogue they coalesced around. They're only going to get worse until either democracy collapses or someone (probably a leftist) changes things for the better. Time is on their side, not yours. Vote blue no matter who is only an optimal strategy if you refuse to think about anything beyond the next four years. These people made the price of their vote abundantly clear as part of an organized large movement; they did everything right and the Democrats refused to listen.

I agree, but now it's two years later, and that same attitude with get similar results. The democrats need to do way better than just "not as bad as trump".

We’ll see how this all pans out.

Harris was far from the ideal candidate, but she would have been far and away better than Trump.

I agree and was furious with those who kept that stance. I respected them still.

We would be better today but the progressives and DemSocs could be the change our country has been truly needing. If Harris won it wouldn’t be as bad now but it would all be very much status quo since the 80s.

We have an opportunity because of the bullshit we’re dealing with.

We shall see.

Harris would have been far better than Trump is a bit line saying "Joe, the car thief, is better than Mike, the serial mass murderer"

If Harris had won, the Democratic party would have kept in it's corrupt, corporate minion state.

A silver lining in the Trump disaster is that the Demicrat establishment is being shaken.

EDIT: I was going to correct "Demicrat", but considering that "demi" means half, I'm going to keep it that way.

exactly fuck people for voting again.

I voted kamala, but I am not ignorant enough to blame non voters for this mess we're in. I punch up, preferably not sideways and never down.

Turns out Harris is a bad candidate

You have been banned from lemmy.dbzer0.com

What's your point?