And still tries to decline your claims.

If you were still wondering if the NYT shills for the oligarchs…

Abolition would destroy the cotton industry! There is no precedent in American history!

My wife needs a surgery thats likely to cost 18 to 20 grand without insurance, and I have to do some really careful math to figure out if putting her on my insurance would actually save us anything.

Most likely flying to Mexico for a week to get it done would be cheaper too.

Stopping the orphan crushing machine would abolish the orphan crushing industry. There's no precedent in American history.

Medicare for All would save a trillion dollars and 114,000 American lives, both annually. Fuck the insurance racket.

As well as this being stupid for the reasons given, its also just flat out wrong. There is no reason why you couldn't have additional healthcare insurance to act as a top-up/faster non-essential care/nicer facilities when you are in hospital. That's how it works in the UK, even with completely nationalized, free at the point of use healthcare there is still room for private insurance, it just has to earn its place rather than being a complete leach.

oh no, my private insurance, which only gave life saving measure to an astonishing number of people who are alive and thriving today because one of their CEOs got shot in the fucking face, deservedly

We have generations of data from countries all over the world with universal healthcare. It costs the people less, undeniably; there's zero benefit to for-profit private insurance... for people, anyway (not corporations).

I'm not positive, but I think USA is the last "western nation" without it. So... US taxpayers actually send billions to other nations all over the globe, all of which have better healthcare. Nice.

Even Mexico has universal healthcare, soon they'll be trying to end American migration...

Oh my God, it just dawned on me. Trump was right... Mexico will pay for the wall! Trump's lowering US citizen's standard of living severely so that they will have flee over the border by the millions and viola! Wall.

Brilliant.

A national law against child labor was passed in 1916, but it was overturned by the Supreme Court in 1918. A 1919 law was also overturned. In the 1920s, an effort to pass a constitutional amendment failed, because of opposition from the South and from Catholics. The Fair Labor Standards Act (part of the New Deal) in 1938 finally ended child labor in factories, mines, and other occupations. Child labor has always been a factor in agriculture and that continues into the 21st century. — Wikipedia

Something tells me if we did a complete archive search of NYT (and, for that matter, WSJ), circa 1910-1940, we'd find that it has, indeed, defended child labor in the US.

It's also a flatout lie. It wouldn't abolish private insurance at all. Nytimes is dogshit journalism.

A blatant lie as well, plenty of countries with universal healthcare sustain a private health insurance industry.

Abolishing slavery destroyed an entire industry too. There's your fucking precedent you piece of shit NYT blood sucker.

I hate when things that are obviously inefficient have to be supported just because they exist.

If everything had to have precedent, nothing would ever change.

Forbidding orphan-crushing-machines would destroy the orphan-crushing-machine industry! The horror!

There are some things which should not be privatised. Several reasons, mostly conflict of interest. Government needs to run the country, so politicians, military, police, tax dept, national intelligence, national education and health are some things which run clear to my bleeding obvious state of mind. Oh and transport, imagine if people needed to buy their own land, to pay to build a road, to travel on. Heaven forbid, but just extrapolating extreme capitalism.

Oh now we care about precedents for some reason.

remember when NYT made Sanders look like a far left radicalist

This post is crazy old shes probably paid over 130%

That’s peak ignorance. Plenty of countries with universal heathcare have a thriving private medical insurance industry. The thing is they cannot force the scam level prices they do in the US, because private insurance is a ‘nice to have’ instead of a ‘must have’ thing.

Except in every civilized country in the world.

I lost my job at the end of February, and have been enrolled in the affordable care insurance program ever since. Let me tell you, it's almost less than having no insurance. I got charged $1.1k for my COVID booster. I got charged full price for my dental cleaning. My current "insurance" has denied every single thing I've submitted. I still have to pay them $500 a week though. Want to talk to them on the phone to resolve claims? Good fucking luck.

NYT are a fascist mouthpiece

Also, even with countries that have a public option private insurance is usually still allowed. There are zero good arguments against it and a lot of superfluous nonsense meant to muddy the waters.

“Abolish?” Pshaw. People even have private insurance in the EU under full government healthcare.

There is a precedent and it's called the VA. The military is the largest socialist organization in the US.

Right, there's no precedent in American history for declaring an entire class of business to be illegal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibition_in_the_United_States

I think you guys have maybe heard about this.

https://www.nytimes.com/1930/01/02/archives/prohibition.html

Oh hey look, yeah, you did!

You can not like it but can... can we not, with the blatant historical revisionism?

You could also just point out the Sherman AntiTrust Act, point at that, maybe.

Oh right we also banned gambling, tons of forms of gambling, back in the day.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambling_in_the_United_States

PASPA

I wonder what the kalshi odds are on that happening again...?

Anyway uh, the Old Gray Lady needs to go to fuckin' bed now, thanks.

And NYT said Hitler was a reformed man after a brief stint in prison.

There is no president in history of insurance being so expensive and worthless.

Freedom for all would abolish private slave ownership and trade. There's no precedent in Roman history.

This is how dumb arguments like this one sound. Only a genocidal maniac could unironically spew nonsense like this.