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[–] 17 points 3 weeks ago (12 children)

"Labor has not only lost the revenue, it has lost control of the black market in illegal tobacco," Hanson said in her announcement on Tuesday.

Conveniently forgetting that the LNP Coalition was in power for what... 17 of the last 26 years, last as recently as 2022?

And that One Nation typically voted with them and gave their electoral preferences to them..

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago (11 children)

    Yep and none of it matters, unfortunately.

    I think we’re in a bit of trouble.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)

    We have been in trouble for decades, now we are well and truly f*cked. It seems like 95% of electoral options are right wing, short sighted, self involved, backwards pricks.

    I wish I could trust Australian voters to wake the f up and make the country a better place, instead of burning it the ground.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)

    Yeah it’s hard to. I get the feeling a few are swinging green and independent though.

    Buckle up though. It’s going to get worse.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago* (8 children)

    I want to buckle up on a home made raft the f out of here

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (7 children)

    Honestly? We’re probably better off trying to fight it and vote it out where we can.

    I don’t think there’s any thing better anywhere else. Maybe a couple of Euro countries with spine like Spain.

    But yeah I hear it

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

    I'm in victoria, we have an election this year.

    I haven't voted for any of right wingers in decades... but the majority of Australian have, while pretending that one of them is left of centre.

    NZ will be better again, if they don't completely fuck the election like last time, but the clock will be ticking there too, duopolies are not the solution.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    Yeah I’m worried about that Victoria election ngl. I expect One Nation to go for its Senate and I’m hoping this rumour that Labor is willing to sacrifice it to prove a point is bullshit.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    The fake parties that popped up the last couple of years in Victoria (supposedly no longer a problem), were an indication of where Auspol is heading. These parasites are too easily able to manipulate self interested people.

    one nation will probably be promising half price fuel, and alcohol next.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago* (3 children)

    Funny you should mention fuel. JBP used to have a fuel subsidy in Queensland. While Queenslanders were crossing the border to hit the pokies, New South Welshmen were crossing it to fill the tank

    Yeah wouldn’t surprise me to see it

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    I'm just hoping that whatever is next, it is so completely absurd that even the dodgy media have to take the piss out of them.

    Free tesla's for white people who pledge allegiance to gina rinehart

    Cheap coal powered fridges if you sign your children up to work in the local coal mine

    2 for 1 southern cross tattoos

    Complementary white hood with every trump bible

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    I have a sneaking suspicion we’re going through a boost in Green support as well, over the last couple of days.

    The NDIS and ASIO bills have pissed many off. They see who has turned up as well.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago

    Can only hope.

    The duopoly have been marketing against the greens since way back when Bob Brown popped onto the scene, so much so that most Australians who don't like the greens, do not even know why they don't like the greens.

    The movie 'The Giants' (2023) is well worth watching for those interested in the history of Australian politics.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 weeks ago (18 children)

    They will use whatever gets the vote, it is irrelevant whether it makes sense, or is good for the country. Australian voters have a long history of being easily bought/conned.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

    I call it shotgun policy strategy.

    You just keep spouting stuff. You don't need an implementation plan. You don't even need to implement anything. The idea is to spout enough of them that it hits one person/group for each idea.

    Trump is a master, and used his rallies to do it.

    There's no coherence or overarching vision to them. You just keep reloading and blast away.

    People remember the one they like,and ignore all the others that are rubbish. "But she has some good ideas." Yeah, so does my nephew, but he's not fit to run the country either.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago

    It's an old strategy, but now it seems like politicians have no respect for voters, and are well aware there will be no repercussions for their continuous lies and treachery.

    Someone flicked a global switch a couple of years ago, and now it is raining shit.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (14 children)

    This is the only point that matters. Whatever the intention, the tax eventually failed. Somewhere in there was a point where the cessation of smoking planed out, then the vape ban did the rest. The black market really grew from then, to a point now where they’re being home delivered.

    I’ve spoken to two cigarette smokers to get their anecdotal and they said they’d probably stop chasing BM cigarettes. Fortunately neither will vote for Hanson over it, but they’re under no doubt it’ll be a winner.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (13 children)

    The tax is only failing due to the black market though isn't it?

    So the question is why aren't the government destroying the black market?

    With so many people buying black market cigarettes, it cannot be hard to make arrests, and trace sources.

    Smoking laws could also be significantly tightened to include no smoking in public at all, as a start.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (12 children)

    The tax is only failing due to the black market

    Doesn’t matter here, it’s exploitable for Hanson and will be even more so if they come down harder. Essentially though, you’re on the money.

    I’ll be honest, the way they have delivery and mail order set up, I’m not sure if they can stop it now. They haven’t been able to lay a glove on it locally, I know this through the smokers I know. They can’t close the door of the local one because it takes phone numbers and there’s nothing to bust. The pickup times are 9-10pm at night, and some deliver as mentioned earlier.

    It was always low hanging fruit. I told my smoker friends a month ago she’d do this. It’s money for jam.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)

    makes you wonder what the next trick will be

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (9 children)

    Yeah, it does now that you mention it. They’ve covered online, phone and home delivery. The local distributors have a few locations as drop off zones. It’s a pretty tight ship.

    There’s not a thing they can do about the shop down the road taking numbers. They can search it as much as they like but they’ll find nothing but papers, filters…all of which are good.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

    I worked for a business with an unusually high number of smokers last year, they were all buying black market cigarettes, apparently directly from a shop up the road.

    "The shop down the road taking numbers" can be used to infiltrate the supply and distribution, if the police want to. Place an order, track the delivery vehicle back to their pick up location etc

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (7 children)

    Yeah possibly. They’re pretty sharp though, the police would want to be good undercover.

    But yeah one of the weaknesses is the search and seizure powers being within the health department and not coppers

    The coppers are buying illegal vapes

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

    I was tempted to include a comment about the police not having racist moustaches etc, but I'm guessing the police look and act a lot like the customers anyway.

    If black market tobacco is illegal, then the police need the power to stop it, if they have not been given that power, the question should be 'why?' If they have the power and are not using it, the question should be 'why?'

    I was also tempted to suggest the police are not stopping the trade because it is where they get their winnie blues from.

    At this point in time I am expecting 90% of the police are likely to vote for one nation, mcdonalds, zionism, or pedophile trump.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    Yeah we definitely need to be asking why it’s not the police. It is like it’s made to be abused easily.

    From what I understand, they’re happy to turn up in uniform. I went and picked up a carton for one of those I live with who smokes a month or so ago (a phone pickup) and one of those in line I was talking to was a uniformed council office worker and he said he was in line with two off duty cops in their lapel and badge less blue uniform the week before. They bought a handful of vapes.

    Either way it’s pumping around here, for a rural Queensland city we do not struggle at all for BM darts.

    Just do a search…punch in ozvape into your search engine

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    Basically as expected.

    So now it has to be assumed that the majority of smokers in Australia are not just dickheads, but are also criminals.

    Being a dickhead is obviously far from illegal in Australia, but being a criminal...

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    Well I think that’s a bit harsh, giving it up isn’t easy. The two smokers I’m close to certainly aren’t dickheads and it was being frightened by losing my legs made me give up, not the money. I’d like to think I’m not a dickhead but I guess that’s subject to opinion.

    At the end of the day, these laws just don’t work and we see that here in action. It’s wraparound services and support that’s what’s really needed. Only one form of quitting aid is on the PBS and that’s the full strength patch.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Dropping down the strength of cigarette is the easiest way to quit smoking, it only takes part of a pack to adjust to the lower strength, and by repeatedly doing that over time you are reducing your physical dependence on nicotine (only a part of the addiction).

    I started smoking when I was 12, and stopped when I was 34.

    I might still be a dickhead, but I was much more of a dickhead when I was smoking, just like your friends... and anyone who buys cigarettes for them.

    Smoking is very obviously stupid.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    That method partly contributed, yeah, but at the end of the day it was the fear of losing my life. I enjoyed smoking cigarettes, I found it relaxing.

    Yeah I wouldn’t call them dickheads, even yourself previously. A dickhead is someone who is an arsehole generally and to others.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago

    Different people use different words differently, I call albo a bogan (among many other things) other people obviously wouldn't.

    smoking is definitely a dickhead thing to do, it kills you, it stinks, its antisocial, a very large proportion of smokers litter, it's stupidly expensive, it's a fire risk, a distraction while driving etc etc, and you will end up looking like pauline hanson if you do it long enough, every single smoker will end up looking like pauline hanson, and she is a complete dickhead. I rest my case.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    The horse has well and truly bolted in this case. To get people back to buying legal cigarettes again they're going to have to both lower the price and find a way to crack down hard on the illegal market. It takes a pretty principled person to decide to pay two or three times the price to get legal cigarettes when you can walk down the road and every man and his dog will apparently sell you cheap illegal ones.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    I can only imagine how bad chinese cigarettes are for you, if they are willing to put melamine in baby formula.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    If people cared about their health they probably wouldn't be smoking anyway. The packaging is basically screaming THIS SHIT WILL KILL YOU and people still buy them.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    One Nation aren't the answer but the government isn't too smart with the way they are handling the tobacco black market. They have enormous power between legal enforcement and setting the rate of taxation to cyclically fuck over the black market in a huge way.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago

    Anti-advertising laws and high taxes on cigarettes crushed smoking rates. Cigarettes use to be everywhere. People would be smoking on every street corner; cigarette butts on every footpath; a pervasive stench of smoke in basically every public building.

    The anti-smoking campaign worked. Unfortunately, law-makers were slow to react to the rise of vapes, and now smoking got its foot back in the door with their highly addictive product.

    I don't know what the right play now is, but I'd be highly reluctant to roll back a system that worked. Many of the people calling for reduction in cigarette tax have essentially zero credibility. Obviously there are businesses that want to sell more cigarettes and are willing to lobby to that effect, and people like Pauline Hanson love to take those sweet lobbying perks. So I'd be inclined to take the view of neutral experts, and the evidence of my lived history.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    It can work, it has worked. We had a big illegal cig trade going on, then Chretien lowered the tax and soon the people selling illegal smokes went on to something else, then the taxes were slowly reintroduced til they exceeded where they were before, there still are illegal smokes but not as prevalent as before and I don't think they are brand names these days. Supposedly the taxes on smokes here goes towards our health care

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago

    The thumbnail's colour-palette has all the hallmarks of a ron weasley scene in a later harry potter film.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago

    It would be nice if one of the 5 pharmacies in my area would sell me the legal vapes, but they all refuse to do it so I buy the illegal vapes and I have no intention of stopping. Same for 90% of the 'smokers' at work. The rest are smoking manchester and buy the occasional pack of winfield as a treat.

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