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A third so far! (thelemmy.club)
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[–] 57 points 2 months ago (12 children)

Wait, am I meant to feel upset that people are embracing the moniker of socialist?

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    The taboo on the word is still pretty strong in several areas of the country so, many people would like you to feel upset by it. Progress and education are two of the only nonviolent ways to change this

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    I think it's prime time to take the word back. Memes like Fox listing out all the things the "socialists" want and.... for the most part, it's stuff we actually do want and people in general want… yeah, let's take that word back. We need social safety nets.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Maybe they shouldn't have labelled anything the government does which helps its people as socialism if they don't want the people to be pro-socialism.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (3 children)

    Oh wow, that took a long time to federate. 2 days later and I’ve only just seen your comment. Wonder if it’s my instance being slow, the distance, or your instance being slow

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    There were problems with federation but I thought they got solved when it got multithreaded, unless your instance never enabled that.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    We’re currently trying to increase our bandwidth and throughput, so it might be as simple as that. Impossible for me to tell anything specific about our setup. I’m not that technically savvy

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    IIRC the way federation works, a server sends a message and then waits for an acknowledgement before sending another one. So a 250ms round trip time to Australia means a hard limit of 4 messages per second no matter how fast the internet link is.

    We had a lot of trouble with lemmy.world a while back because they were just plain generating more messages than they could send us so we were lagging further and further behind.

    Lemmy can have multiple simultaneous connections between servers now to get around the latency throughput limit, but that might be something server admins need to configure.

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    • [–] 28 points 2 months ago

    Unless you are a fascist bootlicker there is no reason to be upset by this.

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    [–] 13 points 2 months ago* (8 children)

    I might not be socialist but ten years of maga has definitely made me more sympathetic to democratic socialists.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    I might not be socialist...

    Why not?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (6 children)

    The infighting and dogmatism is pretty off puting. Even if multiple studies show that a police doesn't work, ie rent freezes, they still blindly push for it.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    You're talking about how a particular party or group within a party behaves. Presumably you're talking about the DSA. That's fine.

    Being socialist just means being an advocate for policies which put society above the individual.

    • Public education / healthcare / housing
    • A strong welfare system
    • Favouring government run services for necessities over corporate solutions. E.g. water / power / transport services.

    Being socialist just means that you agree that those a good goals. It doesn't say anything about how you think they should be achieved.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    Also, putting society above the individual is not quite right. It is recognition that you should put the majority of individuals above the minority, instead of protecting an individual's absolute rights above the interests of the majority. It's not like society isn't made up of individuals, after all.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    It doesn’t say anything about how you think they should be achieved.

    It might not include many specifics but "by eliminating capitalism" is definitely one of them. Without that you're just describing Keynesian capitalism.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I'd disagree. It certainly means being against unbounded capitalism. I think you need heavy regulation on companies, but not the elimination of them.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago

    It doesn't matter if you disagree, that's what it is. Socialism is the economic system of communism and anarchism, worker ownership of the means of production, or at the very least the process of moving to that economy. It's not compatible with capitalism and the private ownership of means of production.

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    • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    If the Republicans could nazify their voting base then its time for Democrats to move further to the left.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    I mean, we could have like 10 or 20 parties. That would be so nice. Imagine various parties forming a coalition instead of just having two choices of fucking shit. That would be something else. We can dream.

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    • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    I'm not sure I believe it's that high.

    But I hope it is.

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    [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    It started as a small ripple in New York and hopefully it will become an unstoppable tsunami that will cover the entire country.

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    [–] 4 points 2 months ago (17 children)

    I still find the DSA a little sketchy, though Mamadani is cool enough, but I've proudly endorsed democratic socialists like Bernie Sanders all of my adult life.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (16 children)

    Why do you find them sketchy?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    Admitedly some of their stated platform goals are a bit weird and extreme, such as abolishing presidential elections.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Why? Making a prime minister seems like a pretty reasonable position. The fact that we elect a defacto king every four years is the weird thing.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    Ironically, the UK has a defacto king and the USA does not, Trump doesn't have the power to do the majority of things which get talked about in the news from defining citizenship to war to creation of government offices. The only reason this shit is happening is because of Republican trifecta and a stacked supreme court. If even one part of congress weren't GOP controlled then the whole multiple fiascos would never have been funded, and this is demonstrated by the fact that DHS and then just ICE went without funding until the GOP passed a reconciliation budget with simply majorities in the house and senate.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Well, the president claims most of his power from the fact he's elected by the people, but I think many would agree that no one man should hold the power of the president. It's too open to abuse.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    The actual stated powers of the president aren't. The real problem is the other branches refusing to do their job.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Abolishing the police for one. Abolishing the senate. These are bizarre platform positions

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    what does the senate do other than give extra votes to empty fields

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    It's fine to muse about stuff like this online. In theory, the senate serves to shield the government from tidal shifts that happen too fast. Obviously, they are not doing their job now. But to put this as a main core tenet of your platforms is bat shit insane. The average American that is struggling to put food on the table doesn't have the mental load to evaluate these things and just looks at it and goes "what the fuck are you all on??!" and votes red. Goddam Subaru socialists out of touch with reality

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    The senate serves the same function as the house of lords in the uk. The problem, though, is that we don't have lords, so why the hell do we need a chamber to make sure their voice is heard? Wouldn't it make more sense to have a second, equally democratic chamber instead of the "states must be represented, even though that doesn't actually have any meaning any more since the people just elect them too, now" chamber?

    Abolishing police is just good politics. No one needs gun toting fascists running around murdering folks for no reason.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    I can tell when people are Subaru socialists when they say stupid insane shit like "abolish the police is good policy". That is so insane and out of touch with reality I don't even know where to begin. It's fine to muse about the police state and Marxist leninist theory online, but this is how we get stupid shit like a Vance term

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (4 children)

    For about a century, many many similar groups have popped up only to later be revealed as a communist dictatorship psyop meant to create division ultimately leading to conservative leaders getting elected instead. After being revealed their funding dries up and they go limp, rinse and repeat. Example: CPUSA, despite being the oldest example was also recently active as they went from 5k members to 20k members after 2016, but have since lost half as it became clear they're soviet-style fascists. In 1993, expats from the library of congress participated in a sharing of historical documents with Moscow and revealed the group was even directly involved in infiltrating African American and sharecropper groups in an attempt to spread violent ideology. Similarly were the New Communist Movement of the 70s and 80s including the Maoist International Movement.

    The entire basis for splintering the DNC party is the notion that the current DNC platform isn't progressive, which I think is just false.

    But if it somehow wins elections, sure, let's do it.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    DNC isn't being splintered. DSA is specifically running candidates in primaries, not generals.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Which is why I don't oppose the DSA, but there is a lot of dialogue trying to frame it as a big split or schism in the DNC.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    So it's sketchy because of other organizations that don't function like it or are shaped like it?

    Got it. Some paranoia can be good, but don't let it destroy you. Keep an eye out, but also trust is a two-way street.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago*

    It's sketchy because it results in shaming of the DNC, but it's not problematic yet because they might possibly help remove Republicans from power (yet to be seen). And their chosen moniker is one that has been applied to other much worse organizations in the past.

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    • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    As the old german saying goes and is lovely sung: WER HAT UNS VERRATEN, SOZIAL DEMOKRATEN! (WHO BETRAILED US? SOCIAL DEMOCRATS!)

    That is meant figurtifly and real. They voted for ww1, after the workers overthrew the monarchy, they shot the revoltees and sabotaged any effort for real peoples democracy and even today they are throwing the workers under the bus!

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    • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    Is Bart supposed to be the establishment dems? If so, fuck them, no sympathy. Poor use of a meme, but I still upvote it because reasons.

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    [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    Is bart the conservatives or the democrats or the centrists?

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