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[–] 76 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (7 children)

Ugh, clovers. Giving me trauma to living in San Jose and the clover that merges 101 and 880.

The two most congested and largest freeways. Let's have all the traffic entering have to fight with all the traffic exiting in about 100 ft of road.

You'd literally have people blocking the far left lanes and essentially making "right turns" across the all lanes. I hated them at first. But, honestly, you learn quickly that it's just all lanes of traffic fighting and that's just one method of getting through. It's not even faster because all lanes are just blocked at that point.

Fuck cars. But clover interchanges are a special kind of stupid.

Worst part. I took the Cal train to SF to avoid traffic. But this was a road block between my house and the train station. It was anywhere from 30-60 minutes of driving in rush hour. It was a 5 minute drive when there was no traffic at night.

Just absolute insanity.

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  • [–] 53 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (35 children)

    Everyone commuting at the same time is borked. Drive around a 3 AM, there's no traffic. It'd be better if we pushed for shifts that don't NEED to be 9 AM to 5 PM out towards a different time like 6 AM to 2 PM.

    What's "borked" is that we all conform to a weird strict standard of all leaving/returning at the same hour.

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  • [+] 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (8 children)
  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago* (5 children)

    I mean yeah but we still find a time like once a month we both have a saturday off or something. I think the much bigger inconvenience is always having to miss work no matter what for a doctors appointment or something like that because they're all like 9-5 too.

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  • [+] 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)
  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I don’t, my day us shifted, so I commute later, instead of like an hour and a half my commute is 50 minutes (which is still a lot for a European) but in exchange I live in my hometown

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    Years ago I worked with a guy who had a roughly 20 mile commute that was about 19 miles on a major highway that choked during rush hour. He worked from home in the early morning then drove in starting after 10:00. He’d then head home around 6:00 PM or later. He said traffic was almost always light.

    He also never listened to traffic reports on TV or the radio. One day he got on the highway and was surprised to find traffic was virtually non-existent. He got about half way to the office to find the highway had been completely shut down due to a fuel tanker that was on fire…

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (11 children)
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    Families is actually usually the reason for people to push for this, as having one parent for sending the child off and one for picking them up is often necessary if both parents wants to work full time

    So one goes like 6 to 14 and the other does their 8 to 16 shenanigans

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (9 children)

    Yea, schedule is still mostly to blame, just think about how empty the streets are for many hours a night, or very little traffic at 11 AM or 2 PM. This is why I'm doing everything I can to try to avoid getting stuck commuting at normal times. I'd rather have a job that starts at 6 AM and ends at 2 PM.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (8 children)

    Oh, you can drop your toddler off at daycare at 5 AM? Are your tweens fine readying themselves for school without any adults at home?

    A car-centric society is the problem. The need to commute by car, both for the kids and the adults, is the problem.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago*

    I worked 6a-6p (3.5 days a week) with a toddler as a single mom, and daycare options were super limited. There was a whole two places available, could only use licenced in-home daycare folks.

    I loved the schedule though. I did feel like someone elsecwas raising my kid on work days though.

    commuting was easy peasy too

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    [–] 37 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    Ah yes the classic, "pro gamer move."

    To turn left onto my local stroadway it's often faster to go straight, make a u-turn and a right turn because the left turns are advance green only. The main green is 5x longer so inevitably a bunch of people are just stopped with no cars going through the intersection.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I used to go to work along a road that had a two-lane roundabout. One lane turns left and one lane turns right (in this country, we drive on the left for context)

    The left lane was always banked up many many cars, but the right lane wasn't.

    So I'd go bomb down in the right lane and do a 270 degree turn to end up going left, where the banked-up left-turning cars had to yield to me.

    That's a pro gamer move.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    Driving is such a zero sum game… yeah, who knew that cutting everybody off (legally) would make travel time shorter for you and longer for everybody else.

    Not hating on you, hating on this whole concept of being trapped in a car to go to work turning off everyone’s sense of humanity and community.

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  • [–] 34 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    see what you need is an extra lane there

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  • [–] 20 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    Isn't there this paradoxical thing that additional roads can lead to longer travel times for everyone? I think it has something to do with things like these. I guess there was a veritasium episode about it.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Its similar to this

    1865

    The Jevons paradox (pronounced /ˈdʒɛ.vənz/, JEV-ənz) or Jevons effect is an economic phenomenon said to occur when technological improvements that increase the efficiency of a resource's use lead to a rise, rather than a fall, in total consumption of that resource.[1][2][3][4] Greater efficiency reduces the amount of the resource needed per application, lowering its effective cost; if demand is sufficiently price elastic, this induces demand, frequently resulting in a net increase of total resource consumption

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jevons_paradox

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    Three factors for this that I'm aware of:

    1. The whole road system needs to be able to handle the throughput from all sources to all destinations in aggregate. That means if you relieve one bottleneck, it increases the rate that traffic can reach the roads on the other side of the former bottleneck, which can cause them to exceed capacity. Eg, if you have a 5 lane highway reduce to 3 lanes and jams frequently form at (and leading up to) the lane reduction sites, traffic will likely flow ok in those 3 lanes and then really open up if it goes to 4. But if they extend the 5 lanes to where it goes to 4, there will now likely be a jam where traffic used to flow decently where it was 3 lanes, and that "really opens up" also gets downgraded to "flows decently".
    2. Intersections are horrible once the exceed capacity, especially if there's any potential for starvation in the way they cycle, as that can result in not just a jam but grid lock. Starvation in this context means a vehicle never gets their turn to proceed through the intersection in the way they desire. People waiting for their turn that will never come back up as more queue up and eventually start blocking the other paths through the intersection and other intersections leading there start also seeing starvation and eventually you need a person to go direct traffic to get things flowing again. Grid lock is when all paths get starved and will just continue backing up until everyone who wants to go to the gridlocked area is stuck in traffic that isn't moving at all. It's also why it's illegal to stop inside an intersection because then you start starving any lanes you block. Anyways, adding a new road or lanes can suddenly cause an intersection downroad to exceed capacity.
    3. More onramps/offramps on a highway increase turbulence as people need to change lanes, especially in those cases where the lane you enter on immediately exits, as you get both people wanting to join and leave that lane in a short area. Turbulence creates traffic waves as traffic alternates between slowing down as people are forced to brake for lane changers having trouble moving over, and the slowdown effectively increases the road capacity (ahead of it, behind it has effective reduced capacity), so those at the front can immediately speed up, but since these affect different lanes at different rates, the lane weavers try to move to the fastest lanes and create more turbulence, sometimes it all adds up to bring some of the traffic to a complete stop. The same thing happens when people try to skip the queue and force their way into the backed up lane at the last moment.

    Asshole drivers make bad traffic situations way worse than they need to be. But road systems are a lot more complex than they seem to be. It's like fluid dynamics but even more complex because each driver has a different will (and agression, competence, etc) and it's several ton vehicles that break if they touch each other acting as the basic particles instead of particles that usually move past each other relatively easily.

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    [–] 16 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    It annoys me that there is no fourth ring in the north east corner.

    I understand why. You do not need to explain it to me. It's still annoying.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    I understand why

    I don't :(

    Edit: I mean I see the other long sweepy road for northbound to turn left, but why is that like that but clovers for the other three directions to turn left?

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  • [–] 15 points 2 months ago

    Why'd they build those useless blobby green barriers everywhere in the top right? They should clearly have added another lane or two to the red route.

    Some woke Joni Mitchell communist plot.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago

    Roads??? Where we're going we don't need roads!!!

    drives on all that empty green lawn

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  • [+] 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 4 days ago)
    [–] 11 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    The clover interchange is the most cursed interchange, and also the most common because it's relatively cheap.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago

    Give em the old three leaf clover skidoo ☘️

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    One of my favorite traffic hacks. Google maps would never recommend it, but it is faster.

    What'll really blow your mind is that all you're doing is navigating a really weird traffic circle. The more direct ramps are really just slip lanes (optimizations) for said circle.

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