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In Iron Man 2008 Tony Stark owns an AI model that makes Claude look like the Windows 98 Paperclip assistant, but chooses to sell devastating weapons instead because it’s more altruistic (thelemmy.club)
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[–] 48 points 2 months ago (28 children)

You can't compare both. Stark did build an AI.

Claude is simply a statisticaly accurate text generation model..... marketed as AI.

It's like comparing a carburator with oranges.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    marketed as AI

    Most of the major AI conferences havw similar forms of AI being published. It isn't marketed as such, it quite literally falls under the umbrella.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    As much as it pains me, I was going to say that. It sadly is AI by definition.

    It's not what I would call AI (by quite some distance) and I long denied it because of that but my definition is not correct.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I'm dying right now at the downvotes I'm getting. I've been to two major AI conferences this year--are you dorks even in the field? XD

    Look, AI is just the name of a broad group of strategies loosely categorized by the sorts of difficulties of problems we are working on (domain size, observability, etc.).

    Understanding that this tech is part of artificial intelligence is just understanding the taxonomy of AI related subjects in computer science. That's it. It's not an admission that anything is actually smart, especially in a human-like manner.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (1 child)

    (just to be clear, you understood I was agreeing, right? 😁)

    But nevermind downvotes. The whole voting doesn't make sense to begin with as people are just too different to have a agreeable understanding on what it means and ladzle the topics too.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (22 children)

    What makes actual human intelligence that different from a statistically accurate text/movement generation model?

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  • [–] 15 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    I don't compare millions of pieces of data and choose the one that is statistically correct. I analyse a question and answer based off of my understanding of the actual subject.

    LLMs don't understand shit, they text match and statistically poop out "correct" answers.

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  • [+] -6 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Didn't you describe just how our brain is working?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Wasn't that the point?
    To show current LLM models aren't the same system as our brain

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    No, I meant

    I analyse a question and answer based off of my understanding of the actual subject.

    What does "understanding" mean here? Isn't it analysing millions pieces of data and giving answer that is statistically correct?

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    Nah, and it isn't what LLMs are doing now

    LLMs just act on tokens and those are their limit in resolution.
    That's why they're so bad when it comes to rhyming or counting letters.

    They're not reasoning. And there is a difference between reasoning and giving it the statistical most probable next token - which doesn't have a meaning whatsoever

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    The statistically accurate arithmetic average dice throw shows a solid 3.5

    A dice that always shows 3.5 is bad.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    So determinism? Llms are not deterministic.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    Is there a single reputable psychologist out there who believes that this is how humans operate?

    Note, I think that non-human intelligence is entirely possible, just not this particular technology.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    https://www.anthropic.com/research/global-workspace At a certain level it does seem were using a non deterministic statistical model to at least mimic true intelligence, though honestly nobody knows at this time the boundaries or complete differences. We're still on the bleeding edge of development. Also it's worth noting that most "ai systems" anyone would interact with are actually layers of models, not just a bare llm anymore. Tokenizers, linkers, etc.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    Thats the thing people don't get. Everyone keeps saying "LLMs are not AI", but forget that there is constant repeated layering of models, fliters, linkers, etc.... by developers to make them more efficient. At some point the integration of so many subsystems into one main system, will generate something that appears for all intents and purposes, to be AGI (or at least mimic it to a point where its hard to tell).

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    Yeah. We're far far from the days of it just being a simple little language transformer. I don't know if it'll ever have the spark of consciousness, but it's certainly beginning to have the emulation of it.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Now it sounds like I'm talking to an LLM.

    You didn't answer my question.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    Didn't know I was supposed to answer your question like a fucking llm. Figured this was a comment section for discussion. 🤷‍♂️

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    You can be intelligent without being good at writing. However AI relies on text

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Good point. What do we rely on?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Not everyone thinks with words. You're grasping at straws.

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    • [–] 26 points 2 months ago

    His name is Clippy, okay? Also I think he was introduced in Office '97, not Windows 98.

    Ah, indeed.

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    [–] 6 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Tony Stark also made Ultron (another AI) and that didn't turn out well.

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    • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    I remember reading how Stark was originally conceptualized as an antihero, an unlikeable character doing the most unlikeable business, that is, as a showy arms industrialist at the height of the Vietnam War.

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    [+] -17 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I fucking hate Irony Man. Him and Bateman are just lonely rich weirdos... And don't come at me with "ttthhddsats covered in episode 459 of the comic book series" you sad superhero-worshipping losers. Mama ain't coming to save you, nor is under cover boss in lycra.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago

    It's not covered in episode 459 of the comic, it's literally a core aspect of the movie in the meme. Did you watch it all the way to the end? It's am even bigger plot point of the second, all his friends eventually abandon him because he can't stop being the billionaire playboy stereotype, and he has a whole identity crisis about it.

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