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Shopify CEO Tobias Lütke, whose company commands a market capitalization near $154 billion, told his social media followers this week that a tax-tiered voting system—one that would strip voting rights from anyone who pays no income tax—would be a “good system.”

That two-word endorsement, dropped into a viral thread, has reignited a debate over wealth, power, and democracy that most Americans thought was settled more than a century ago.

The proposal would invert the founding American principle of “no taxation without representation” into something closer to “no representation without taxation”—and specifically, high taxation. Reactions online split sharply: Some framed it as a provocative thought experiment about aligning fiscal responsibility with political voice, while others called it a naked attempt to legitimize plutocracy by giving billionaires and multimillionaires a formal, multiplied vote over the laws that govern everyone else.

But it also revealed that America is grappling with a political economy debate, as a frozen housing market and an entrenched wealthy baby boomer demographic have many, not just Lütke, arguing that something big needs to change

At this point, their necks practically for the guillotine's blade. They keep reminding us:

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of . . . tyrants.

-Thomas Jefferson in November 13, 1787, letter to William Stephens Smith.

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[-] Archimedes@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 hour ago

But everyone pays taxes, even the unemployed. Every purchase has taxes on it. For this proposal to work as he wants, the entire tax burden will have to be transferred to the income tax. Enjoy the tax hike and labor crisis.

[-] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 7 points 9 hours ago

There is no war but the Class War.

[-] BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

I agree. Working class produces and every other class lives off of them.

[-] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 5 points 9 hours ago

When we claw back power, and there are social programs to cover healthcare, college, day care, etc., it will be necessary to harshly punish Sociopathic Oligarchs for their ongoing crimes (they won't be able to stop, they are mentally ill, they can't help themselves), up to, and including full confiscation of their wealth, leaving them penniless, homeless, and naked.

They will not be eligible for those social programs. They can live on the streets, and eat pigeons.

[-] wizbiz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 16 hours ago

Perfect example as to why wealthy people shouldn't exist. Why should this unelected idiot have this much social power to even propose this?

[-] FoxtrotDeltaTango@sh.itjust.works 6 points 13 hours ago

Yeah, billionaires should not exist

[-] osanna@lemmy.vg 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

hell, I don't think people should have more than a few million at most. Just enough to perhaps buy ONE house and afford food. Billionaires have no place when there are people starving and barely managing to survive. They really are scum, aren't they :/

(gonna add me again, Admiral Patrick?)

[-] Washedupcynic@lemmy.ca 13 points 16 hours ago

The shopify CEO wants to strip voting rights from people that don't pay taxes. So, 18-20 something year olds that don't have income and get claimed as a dependent. SAH mom's that get claimed as a dependent.

Fuck Tobias Lütke with a barbed wire wrapped dildo. Germany, Canada, please come pick up your trash.

[-] yakko@feddit.uk 1 points 4 hours ago

People who don't pay taxes? Why would a billionaire want to disenfranchise billionaires? 🤔

[-] Malyca@lemmy.zip 2 points 13 hours ago

Stah moms pay taxes, we file jointly with our partners. It would be the young adult dependents and the rich people that live on loans instead of income, so they don't have to pay tax.

[-] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 127 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

one that would strip voting rights from anyone who pays no income tax

So he's in favor of stripping the voting rights of billionaires?

[-] Waterpumpee@lemmus.org 39 points 23 hours ago

i think thats his argument. make billionaires pay tax to compete for policies. basically calling bribes tax or real life p2w, which it is currently but legal.

My take is, sack all of these billionaires and idiots on an remote small little island and let them figure out how they wanna govern themselves.

[-] tutter@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 23 hours ago

Like atlas shrugged? i like it! If we use the Randian framing they'll probably eat it up!

"nooo dont leave whatever will we do without someone to boss us around noooo please dont isolate yourself on a remote island pleeeeeease"

and then just not let em back in if they try

[-] hoppeduponcoffee@lemmy.zip 8 points 22 hours ago

The self-serving “anarcho-capitalist” whore that died dependent on Medicare and social security.

[-] Enkrod@feddit.org 9 points 22 hours ago

HEY! Don't do whores dirty like that.

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[-] Sabin10@lemmy.world 11 points 23 hours ago

Does one vote matter if you can buy thousands?

[-] Malyca@lemmy.zip 6 points 14 hours ago

I'm reading this as taking power away from the ruling class, not giving it. Rich people don't live on income, they live on loans guaranteed against their companies and off shore wealth right? They purposely keep low to no income, so they don't have to pay income tax. This way, if they do that, it will take away their vote.

[-] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 2 points 9 hours ago

Tax wealth, not work.

[-] NABDad@lemmy.world 19 points 18 hours ago

I think he may be onto something.

Perhaps there's some way to tie the weight of your vote to the ratio of taxes paid divided by wealth?

So, if you have billions in assets+wages, but pay less taxes than a guy earning minimum wage, your vote would essentially be completely ignored.

[-] BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

I'd just cap the voting power bonus at ~1.5

If you pay taxes you should've higher voting power but not tremendously higher

[-] Sunflier@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Under that idea, what happens to the vote of people who make too little to pay taxes? What if they don't have taxes because they don't have a job? What if you don’t pay taxes because you're homeless and don't have an address?

[-] NABDad@lemmy.world 4 points 14 hours ago

Well clearly, for those people the only fair way to handle it is to default to a vote weight of 1.0

[-] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 35 points 20 hours ago

Tobias Lütke is a German born Canadian. Why is he commenting about US elections at all? He has never voted in the US.

[-] porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 24 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Because he makes money from it, capitalism and fascism have no borders.

Edit: and I'm sure he's voted with his dollars.

[-] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 11 points 20 hours ago

Because he hates democracy everywhere, and thinks the US might be the next to fall, if it hasn't already.

[-] Sunflier@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Never having a history of voting in an election is insufficient to the determination of exclufing a voter for ineligibility.

[-] Derpenheim@lemmy.zip 22 points 19 hours ago

??? The richest people wouldnt vote. They pay no income tax, famously.

[-] 4am@lemmy.zip 5 points 18 hours ago

I wonder if this is what he meant but somehow I doubt it

[-] Australis13@fedia.io 37 points 23 hours ago

Yet another reason for me to dislike Shopify.

I already hated that all the small retailers I use have migrated to it and it pushes you to set up an account so that it can connect all my purchasing habits together from what should be independent retailers.

[-] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 7 points 17 hours ago

Universal suffrage was a mistake. Maybe a confederation of workers councils would be better.

[-] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 23 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

The problem here is that we have confused "financial success" with "merit".

They are almost always mutually exclusive.

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[-] UpperBroccoli@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 20 hours ago

But it also revealed that America is grappling with a political economy debate, as a frozen housing market and an entrenched wealthy baby boomer demographic have many, not just Lütke, arguing that something big needs to change.

Ja, I agree! People like him need to vanish. That is to say, there must not be any billionairs. They only exist because they take away value from those that work to produce it. In other words, they steal from workers, both domestic and foreign.

By law or by guillotine - those bastards need to go.

[-] Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de 26 points 23 hours ago

Okay, but if you're going to do that, those who pay more in taxes as a ratio to their net wealth should have more votes.

Also fuck shopify.

[-] some_designer_dude@lemmy.world 12 points 21 hours ago

A “good system” would never allow billionaires to exist, and would entail a solution for the ones that already do.

[-] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 9 points 20 hours ago

This leads to the old "lead based voting system".

[-] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 6 points 20 hours ago

Oh, you mean the citizen's veto?

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[-] xenomor@lemmy.world 8 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

Does anyone have tips for how to identify (and avoid) sites that use shopify?

[-] desmosthenes@lemmy.world 12 points 23 hours ago

that blood tank needs tyrant blood refilling

[-] Zier@fedia.io 9 points 22 hours ago

I would like to "vote" for a system where businesses pay a minimum of 35% tax, no exceptions or deductions.

[-] lizzzy@feddit.uk 3 points 17 hours ago

To rob the poor of quality of life

[-] foggy@lemmy.world 9 points 22 hours ago

Because they want to run the company towns of the 2000s.

[-] Jaysyn@lemmy.world 8 points 22 hours ago
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Whatever. That guy is a never nude.

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[-] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 6 points 21 hours ago

Most "nouveau rich" want to keep their wealth forever and will burn everything down to make it possible. The "I got mine!" is strong with this group. The "old money rich" will eventually extract that wealth from them over time because they are "players" and this is old hat to them.

[-] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 3 points 18 hours ago

Why is a big dick acting like a dick?

[-] Eiri@lemmy.ca 7 points 22 hours ago

Is he trying to radicalize people? Damn, that's just comic book evil.

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