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Data is an AI. Its child would also be an AI. Sex and appearance have no lasting meaning to AIs.
Trek was conceived woke. If anything it's moved away from that with its overuse of Section 31 and the mirror universe. And now there's a war college.
That's not woke. That's science fiction.
I mean if humans could just change gender/sex/appearance as efficiently as Data's child, there'd be no problem. You'd just do a beep-beeb-boop and that's it.
As for nutrek, their problem is not woke. Their problem is stupid.
May I introduce you to the concept of allegory.
Sure, I knew a guy who used to wrestle those down in Florida.
I'm just posting a link to a search with no results. No reason
https://m.youtube.com/results?sp=mAEA&search_query=star+trek+woke
Cool of you to provide a microplatform to people who I assume you deeply disagree with. Very generous.
What are you talking about? It's an empty search result since the problem with Disco is stupid, not woke.
Unless what you said isn't true, of course ;)
That still subverts God's will.
I just want a few episodes of trek with a decent storyline without glaring plot holes and more science than fantasy. I fell off when Picard was ok with working with a murderer and just letting the crimes get swept under the rug. Also the plagiarism of plot lines from old mans war and mass effect did me in. Everyone is like watch season 3 its so much better, and watch brave new worlds, but I've been getting my fix from the trek novels lately.
I agree that Trek has always been woke. But I miss the nuanced and thoughtful ways they used to approach it, instead of the smarmy heavy handed anviliciousness that nutrek has become known for
It wasn't subtle in the 1960s either.
Whatever do you mean?
kurtzman was originally the showrunner for transformer franchise? thats why nutrek was the way it is, too militaristic, and copagandish.
My biggest problem with NuTrek is that it's too dark. Not in a "thematic" sense but in "projected photons" sense. I feel like I'm straining my eyes to see what's happening on the the set.
It's one of the reasons I loved Lower Decks so much. I could see what was happening.
the lens flare, the dark lighting usually hides bad props or cgi. the writing is also pretty bad. none of the characthers were likable or relatable because they were to "actually types". except staments and michelle yeoh, only because they were the 2 good actors.
Nah Star Trek just grew up to be flat out garbage.
Star Trek didn't become woke, it just grew up to be a bad person
Classic trek was phenomenal, modern trek has nothing to do with star trek
I will not stand for slander against Lower Decks
That's fair.
While I wouldn't set Star Trek Discovery as one of the best series it's certainly better than Enterprise (later amended to be Star Trek: Enterprise) was. And Strange New Worlds has been nothing but a delight to watch.
I'm still on the fence about Picard...
The difference now isn't a matter of woke vs not woke. The stories have become way more interpersonal drama rather than the older sci-fi focused story telling style, and that just happens to make it seem like there are more woke issues being featured.
At least that's my take on it.
That's probably a good way of putting it. It seems like there is a greater appetite for personal narrative driven drama in general of late. I prefer a more plot driven narrative probably because I deal with personal narratives more than I'd like to already IRL.
Conservatives hated star trek when it first aired in the 60s.
There isn't a single thing in life that they can just accept as it is.
And now they whine constantly about how woke the new Trek is and how much better the old Trek was because it didn't hit you over the head with such liberal concepts like racism, sexuality, or politics. 😂
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When did it become woke? The Cage. When there was a competent women wearing pants, as 2nd in command and not used as a damsel where Pike occasionally slapped her ass and called her toots.
It become woke on 2nd season, episode one when they had a russian on the bridge crew.
You forgot even having a black woman as a main character. Even if she was essentially just a space secretary.
where Pike occasionally slapped her ass and called her toots.
Omg imagine if it was tho
Roddenberry always wanted it to be moral plays disguised with prosthetics and effects. It's been woke since conception.
Not to mention a black woman as communications officer on the bridge. All this happens within the first few … seconds of the pilot?
Not to mention a black woman as communications officer on the bridge.
Uhura doesn't show up until The Corbomite Maneuver in this shot:
So obviously it became woke in the 3rd episode of The Original Series. /s
Excuse me. Pint of order. I never grew up.
I'll have a pint of order too.
I'll take a shot of perspective
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