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[–] 262 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (41 children)

Reason n+1 for me being thankful for switching to GrapheneOS.

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  • [–] 41 points 2 months ago (33 children)

    How’s the app support? I want to switch if/when the Motorola phones come out, but I’m wondering how many of my apps/services I’ll have to abandon.

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  • [–] 75 points 2 months ago* (24 children)

    Almost everything just works after installing sandboxed Google Play Services. For a few apps you have to tweak a setting to turn off some of GrapheneOS's exploit protections. But I've found very few that refuse to run, and nothing indispensable. If you don't like your main profile having Play Services you can set them up under a second profile or a private area and keep the apps that use them away from your main profile.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 months ago (10 children)

    The other thing that might be a dealbreaker for you is no contactless payments with things like google wallet will work. But you could always just attach your credit card to the back of your phone and :tada: it works again lol

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    [–] 121 points 2 months ago* (6 children)

    Welcome to your "I only buy vintage tech" era.

    Mine started when 3.5 mm audio jacks started disappearing. We all draw a line.

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    [–] 98 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Motorola needs to release those GrapheneOS compatible phones now 💀

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    [–] 77 points 2 months ago (22 children)

    The people who called me crazy because "there's no way your phone can be listening in on you all the time" are the same people who are going to be the most excited about this "feature"

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  • [–] 17 points 2 months ago (20 children)

    How did these people expect "Hey Siri" / "Hey Google" to work?

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    [–] 71 points 2 months ago

    Fucking yikes

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  • [–] 68 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Constant surveillance 😡

    Audio memories 😍

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    [–] 64 points 2 months ago (33 children)

    I already get "random" ads for things that were only part of a verbal conversation that happened to be near the phone.

    What I want is a physical kill switch for the mic and camera, less surveillance not more.

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  • [–] 26 points 2 months ago (27 children)

    That's been happening for well over a decade now, and while "respectable security researchers" call it bullshit... there's simply too much anecdotal evidence for it to happen organically.

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  • [–] 48 points 2 months ago (12 children)

    The reality is they don't need to listen.

    They have so much data on users.

    • how old you are
    • where you are
    • what you last bought
    • when you just bought it
    • who you are near
    • what they bought
    • what the people around you are searching and what ads they are seeing
    • what is being bought and sold by everyone around you
    • when you sleep
    • what you eat
    • the things you are chatting about on MMS
    • where you go
    • when you're home and when and where you work

    It just goes on and on and on.

    People think they are unique but they are not as unique as they think.

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    [–] 61 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    If a song isn’t recognized, a short digital fingerprint may be sent to Google to securely search the cloud. Background conversations and audio are never sent to Google.

    And, of course, Google will honor this and any other setting, as always, right? Right?

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  • [–] 19 points 2 months ago

    As soon as they got away with "federated learning" (basically use your phone to train ai then just phone the results home rather than your data) 🤢 they knew they could just keep pushing and pushing and pushing until they have it all

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    [+] 55 points 2 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)
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    [–] 47 points 2 months ago (12 children)

    Illegal in Germany. You may not record conversations, if you try to enter something like that as evidence you'll get punished as well.

    I suspect there are many countries with laws like that, and if your phone actually disables the feature when you enter them or just let's you hang to dry...

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    [–] 43 points 2 months ago (12 children)

    Honestly, I thought they already did that.

    One of my motivations for becoming more privacy minded, was the amount of times a subject of conversation was delivered through an algorithm later.

    It was creepy, talk about hose pipes> receive hosepipe content/ads.

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    [–] 42 points 2 months ago

    Um, oh fuck no.

    The reams of personally-identifiable information that will leak is insane.

    We're not allowed to have Siri and Alexa listening when we're working, lest a stray word on a phone call from the home office risks a privacy breach.

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  • [–] 34 points 2 months ago

    I saw this title and immediately said "fuck off" then clicked, and ..glad to see OP sharing my immediate sentiment.

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  • [–] 33 points 2 months ago

    Aaaand it's Niantic all over again.

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  • [–] 31 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    GrapheneOS, asap Pixel owners.

    Thank me later.

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    [–] 31 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    JFC, I don't need tech tracking every goddamn word and fart.

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    [–] 29 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    This would be such a cool thing, too bad it will only be used to scrape our data in order to sell us more ads. There are far too many technologies and concepts that have been ruined already due to bloody greed.

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    [–] 29 points 2 months ago (8 children)

    Any soviet officials still alive must be going crazy: "wait, they actually pay to be surveilled???"

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    [+] 29 points 2 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)
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    [–] 27 points 2 months ago

    Do not want

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  • [–] 26 points 2 months ago (9 children)

    Dumb phones are about to start trending more and more every day.

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    [–] 25 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    This will be quite illegal in all countries and states that require 2 party consent at minimum.

    Incoming Google lawsuits in 3, 2, 1.

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    [–] 23 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    I believe that the idea is genuinely good; however if you think about all the data that leaves your phone and that can be used for tracking, spying and so on, it gets disgusting.

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    [–] 21 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    It's easy to imagine scenarios where something like this could be useful. Sometimes very, very useful. "Hey Google, I spent the last 20 minutes speaking to a police officer, be sure to keep and transcribe all that."

    But no one's going to trust it (no one should trust it) because it's offered by a big tech company. "Of course this new service is designed to be used against us," we correctly assume.

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    [–] 21 points 2 months ago

    “There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can’t take part; you can’t even passively take part, and you’ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you’ve got to make it stop. And you’ve got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you’re free, the machine will be prevented from working at all!” — Mario Savio, 1964

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  • [–] 20 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    This is really about training AI, isn’t it. They’ve tapped nearly all the sources of human text output already, so now they want to create as much more of it as possible, as quickly as possible. They will tap into conversations and use it as a new data source, mark my words.

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    [–] 20 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    OK, how do you disable it permanently? Besides Graphene or mobile Linux?

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    [–] 19 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    So what could be a really useful thing is now just a 24/7 surveilance device that will record everything, even when you have sex, when you talk about fantasies and so on.

    I guarantee you that in no time the justice department will be interested in having access to all that

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    [–] 19 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Even if no one else could access it because it stayed on my device, I'm sure it'll be used for categorizing "advertising cohort" stuff again.

    It sucks having to be so skeptical. With my severe ADHD something like this would be enormously helpful for remembering conversations others I talk to remember just fine but I don't.

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    [–] 18 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I already have a voice recorder app on my phone, thanks.

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    [–] 17 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Because they weren't already listening in?

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    [–] 17 points 2 months ago

    I love the idea. Having a sortable, searchable list of everything that hits my plate day to day would be an awesome boon, I simply don't want anyone else to have that data :(

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