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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/48806122

A license verification certificate expires and when it expires, Microsoft Office for Mac assumes it's unlicensed even if it has been fully paid for.

So, any idiot who paid for Office 2019 for Mac "perpetual" will lose access to it next month.

The same will happen with Office 2021 and Office 2024 in the future.

Pirates are unaffected, only who paid for the product gets punished

Good job 👍🏻

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[-] victorz@lemmy.world 187 points 3 weeks ago

Idiots?

I'm not one of them, but what makes them idiots? Seems kind of uncalled for.

[-] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 178 points 3 weeks ago

It just wouldn’t be a lemmy post without a smug sense of superiority.

[-] mspencer712@programming.dev 17 points 3 weeks ago

Agreed. I don’t know if this is the term for it, but I’ve been thinking of all this as “signaling disrespect,” a deliberate attempt to make people think of their peers as lesser, as other.

I feel like either people have been conditioned to do this online all the time for some reason, or maybe there’s some directed attack against civility. I don’t know. But I refuse to let myself be affected by it. I won’t hate people.

[-] victorz@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago

I suppose you're right, in certain communities.

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I suppose they call them idiots because they trusted microslop's "eternal" definition and even paid for it when there are FOSS alternatives?

[-] NateNate60@lemmy.world 59 points 3 weeks ago

A: gets scammed by company

B: You're so stupid, you should have known that company was going to scam you.

[-] wltr@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

As if Microsoft was founded just yesterday and wasn’t scamming everyone at everything for like decades, right?

[-] accideath@feddit.org 36 points 3 weeks ago

They don’t have a history of undoing perpetual licenses though. I mean, I know people who still use a licensed copy of office 2000

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[-] NateNate60@lemmy.world 18 points 3 weeks ago

I'm not defending this action from Microsoft, but for most people, they buy a Microsoft product and then happily use it for years, none the wiser to any of Microsoft's other nonsense happening in the background.

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[-] GaMEChld@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

And those customers shouldn't have been dressed like that!

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[-] stylusmobilus@aussie.zone 14 points 3 weeks ago

That’s what I’m thinking

I bought the win version, because I have a five year old win 10 computer I’m using until win 10 is no longer supported, and I can’t get office for free anymore.

When win 10 is no longer supported, that’s a Linux computer.

Would I be an idiot, if they cancelled support for mine? I guess so. I’m waiting for some edgelord to tell me I am, probably accompanied by y0u sH00d jUsT g0 LinUx n0w

[-] victorz@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah, no rush.

Come on over to the Linux side when it suits you. You're welcome to the family when you're ready and that computer is ready. 🤟

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[-] Flower@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 weeks ago

They probably still came out ahead with 7 years of use without paying subscriptions to Microsoft.

[-] victorz@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

Still not what they paid for though. 😐

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[-] Zephorah@discuss.online 111 points 3 weeks ago

Not sure why they’re idiots, trying to go the non-sub option is smart, doesn’t vote for subs. Microsoft is the asshole here.

[-] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 3 weeks ago

Not sure why OP is sitting here tanking these hits, but I don't think OP meant to call people who bought perpetual licenses to Office idiots. I think they're saying that Microsoft thinks they're idiots. Still, OP should have clarified that or at least answered at least one person who asked.

[-] wols@lemmy.zip 13 points 3 weeks ago

Because it's a repost.
If you go to the original, OP actually has the top comment explaining exactly that: "idiots" refers to MS treating their customers as such, not a judgement by OP.

[-] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 103 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Rossman posted a video a while ago about how Microsoft updated their site without noting they updated it to gaslight their customers into thinking it's always said that.

There's a reason these companies are trying to kill the archive sites, it lets people call them on their bullshit.

Edit: YouTube source

[-] Th4tGuyII@fedia.io 64 points 3 weeks ago

I'd argue trying to avoid yet another subscription by paying upfront was an honest and good faith strategy. The problem was assuming Microsoft also acts in good faith, and wouldn't just take the money and run like they have just 7 years in.

Honestly for things like this, I would struggle to be convinced that these folks aren't entirely within their right to take back what they already bought in good faith by pirating it.

After all, perpetual means you bought a license to use that program for life, regardless of whether Microsoft wants to uphold that or not.

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 58 points 3 weeks ago
[-] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 3 weeks ago

Since the OP specifies Mac users, as a Mac user, I find iWork perfectly serviceable. I think it's a bit controversial with its "Ribbon" on the right rather than the top, though it kind of makes sense. I don't love iWork (Writer, Numbers, and Keynote), but they are good and they come with Macs (or at the very least are free in the App Store).

I have tried LibreOffice recently, and I didn't care for it. But I am glad that such a robust free office suite is available on Windows. I believe some Linux distros ship with it, too. If I didn't have iWork, I'd probably just use LibreOffice. It's not terrible, I just have a better choice.

[-] teohhanhui@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

a robust free office suite

The few times I tried using LibreOffice, it's anything but robust. Very bad UX, and even worse, it frequently crashes and fails to recover, resulting in data loss. And I've only been using Linux for more than 10 years now.

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[-] tirateimas@lemmy.pt 7 points 3 weeks ago

^ This. Easy to get, easy to install, works like a charm and the license is "perpetual" you won't need bother with it ever again.

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[-] magnue@lemmy.world 48 points 3 weeks ago
[-] PumaStoleMyBluff@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago

It can sometimes be annoying when news communities require posts to use an article's original headline, but it definitely makes sense at times.

[-] ripcord@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

Like this time

[-] poopkins@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago

It's an appeal directly to the thriving community of intellectual property pirates here on Lemmy in order to make the post directly to the front page.

[-] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

Notice that neither of you have refuted the veracity of the headline claim.

[-] WrathEnchanter@europe.pub 7 points 3 weeks ago

You think so? I only see an acurate representation oft reality

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[-] Epzillon@lemmy.world 48 points 3 weeks ago

Victim-blaming is the real stupidity here. Microsoft harasses its customers (again) and now the customers are the idiots?

This is the same type of propaganda Nvidia is trying to push. Jensen Huang saying "people should have planned better, the rising prices of hardware was imminent" is the exact same tactic of being the cause of the problem and still putting the blame of everyone else.

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[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 35 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I'm not sure I'm cool with calling people 'idiots' in this scenario. We don't blame the victims of con men when they're stolen from, and this is the same thing, just on a bigger scale.

That said, here is the obligatory linking to LibreOffice: https://www.libreoffice.org/

It's free and a better choice.

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[-] Dvixen@lemmy.world 24 points 3 weeks ago

Not surprised in the least. It's all about maintaining incoming cash flow.

They cancelled my Win11 (from purchased Win10 eligible upgrade) key earlier this year when I replaced a failed motherboard.

Happy to be free of their ecosystem. Should have jumped free long ago.

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[-] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 23 points 3 weeks ago

Victim blaming is definitely how you win people to your side... Dumbass

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[-] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 22 points 3 weeks ago

I was about to purchase some legitimate licenses for MS products when this was first announced.

saved myself the money and trouble and just pirated it.

fuck em

[-] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 7 points 2 weeks ago

mehh I've been using Libre office for many years, fuck 'em.

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[-] Mwa 18 points 3 weeks ago

classic Micro$lop

[-] Zorcron@lemmy.zip 16 points 3 weeks ago

OOP’s comment on the original post that the cross-poster should have shared:

Disclaimer: I wrote "idiot" to describe someone who paid for the product not because they're actually idiots, but it's because Microsoft is treating them like that: their official solution on the website is "simply subscribe to the latest and greatest or buy a new "perpetual" license to office 2024 to continue using what you paid for"

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[-] melfie@lemmy.zip 15 points 3 weeks ago

Not even worth pirating when there are better open source alternatives.

[-] bhamlin@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago
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[-] neon_nova@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 2 weeks ago

This is pretty wild to see. Based on Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Microsoft_Office

Some people could have purchased this as late as early October 2021.

If companies are going to literally steal things from the user, then why would I buy anything from them in the future?

This is a clear sign to everyone to not buy anything from Microsoft moving forward, because they clearly think they can just take it back at any time.

[-] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago
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[-] homes@piefed.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

Microsoft constantly punishes any idiot who ever bought anything from them.

[-] Blindsite@lemmy.today 9 points 2 weeks ago

Yet another reason to stick with LibreOffice and other FOSS open source software.

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