Ultimately it's harsh as they complied but no one would have any complaints if they showed consistency with then dealing with the bigger clubs.
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Let’s see how “tough” they get with Chelsea or City.
Everyone is cribbing based on decisions not yet even taken, but isn't this what most fans wanted?
Clubs actually have impactful consequences for breaking funding rules?
It hasn't happened to the biggest offenders yet, but IMHO it's a good thing to see a firm precedent after decades of loosey-goosey shit like Fit-&-Proper person test or chump change fines given to infinite money glitch clubs.
Everton requested a consultant from the PL to oversee their transactions over the course of two years, who signed off on everything and later admitted not to have reviewed any of it in the first place. I don't see how Everton could be accused of non compliance. This whole thing is fucking egregious.
What's the source for this, just keen to share with some mates,
They've used Everton to make an example because they're scared to do it to City or Chelsea.
Can't piss off the big 6 or they'll start their own league.
No, they haven’t. Your conspiracy theories aren’t clever or helpful.
City’s is a far more complex case that will take longer to deal with, and any potential sanctions will be handed down by an independent commission, not the PL.
Everton broke the rules, in a much more simple case, and have been punished for it. It has nothing to do with City or Chelsea.
but why would they punish Everton then? The backlash is even bigger now, everyone is after City's and Chelsea's heads. If they didn't do anything to Everton either no one would bat an eye, aside from the occasional "google man city 115" jokes
That’s not remotely true, City and Chelsea literally couldn’t leave the league, it’s legally impossible.
As for pissing off the big six? Half of them would just at the chance to see both teams grab a massive punishment.
They are setting the precedent. They wouldn't dock Everton 10 points for a single transaction if they weren't planning on slamming City.
I’ll believe it when I see it.
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I'll believe this when City and Chelsea get the same treatment.
When neither of those clubs get major sanctions they’ll say they got the Everton decision wrong or they’ll explain why the charges against City and Chelsea that will end up sticking aren’t as serious as Everton’s breaches.
If I was Everton, I'd take the deduction on the chin and move on. They are not even bottom now, and they are very unlikely to go down as there are three teams who are far far worse.
It then puts them in the position of strength should anyone else be accused. I know I may seem biased as a United fan, but if Chelsea and City get away with it, the idea of rules around finances loses all credibility and makes the competition seem like a joke.
Not to mention if Everton appeal, and they lose after a long, drawn-out process, they could risk getting a deduction next season instead. This is probably the best season to be deducted 10 points, the bottom 3 are all so bad.
It's effectively a massive fine even if they stay up, dropping 2 million per place.
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Issue with discussion is that city and chelsea didnt break the same rules as everton.
The addition of profitability and sustainabily rules with alot harder punishment makes evertons present rule breaking a bigger issue.
As for city and chelsea (Im a chelsea fan) I dont want to win outside the rules, but there has been questionable things around both arsenal and liverpool the last decade.
If we withheld 20m 2012, its not like that was 1. Uncomon, 2. Affected our ffp (by the rules applied 2012)
What have Liverpool and Arsenal done that's questionable? I assume for Liverpool you're talking about the scouts using their City log ins? Which they had to pay City £1m for so have been punished for it.
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They need to do something about these Man city 115 charges against city more quickly. Like its gonna be half a decade before they’re all investigated and they’d have won the prem another 5 times in that period, and no way in a million years will a decade of league history be altered in punishment. They cheated so much they’re untouchable.
Some of the charges go back to 09-10 season so it’s actually been more than a decade for some of the offenses.
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Throw chelsea and city in the fucking bin. Feels like this year has been such a kick in the teeth even watching this league
Stupid rules on and off the pitch, including this and VAR
RIP football
Unless Man City are stripped of titles then any punishment is not tough
A fine is just business and they will just invent a new sponsor
Relegation is a year out while they stomp the 2nd tier. It also punishes those teams because there will be one less promotion place available because Man City will obviously go straight back up
A point deduction does even less than a relegation.
Take away the awards they "earned" through cheating because that's what it was about. On field success. Unless that is taken they have effectively gotten away with it with a mild to soft slap.
Everton got punished as their breach was obvious and documented. City case is a mess and Chelsea similar (though the new owners are complying with investigation).
City case is hard to predict what happens.
Chelsea I think would be no points but an embargo. However if Chelsea end up in FFP trouble now with their outlays in the past 18 months then I would say that same 10 point deduction is a start point
No they're not.... If they were, we'd see certain other clubs being hit hard by massive penalties... Not being allowed to skate by without any hint of the EPL/FA/ETC doing anything about them.
When they get around to knocking City back for what they've done... Then you can say they're actually doing anything
I swear these things always go the same way.
- Allegations drop. Fans of accused club go on the defensive while fans of rival clubs gloat.
- People tire of hearing the story constantly, neutrals slowly start to drift from “punish the cheaters” to “I’m sick of hearing about this”
- Wait 2 years
- Slap on the wrist, cost of doing business punishment is handed down.
- Fans of accused club gloat, fans of rival clubs cry foul and corruption. Nothing fundamentally changes.
seems like they had a lot more options last season
Premier League left with no option but to do their job
I can hear their collective sighs.
“Would you download a car?” Vibes
Is there a chance the Everton decision gets defanged on appeal and this all fizzles out?
More chance than City ever being punished.
They’re going to get very harsh… unless you’re City or Newcastle and affiliated with oil and human rights atrocities.
I've got 115 reasons to not believe this article.
Will be shocked if these spineless moneygrubbers do anything to punish City. Maybe a stern warning before they resume jerking off the Sheikh, the Financial Group, and Pep (the holy trinity). Maybe even score a fossil fuel sponsorship out of it.
Chelsea sure picked a bad week for those leaks to come out.
Loool Chelsea released this news aces ago that’s what the self reporting stuff was
The Prem obviously released more details about it now on purpose because nothings changed since Chelsea self reported
They haven’t been charged with anything either so it must’ve just been the self reported stuff
There's two things with Chelsea, one is the self-reported stuff around Willian and Eto'o, the second (potentially more serious) is what the Guardian uncovered
How many times does it have to be said that the newly revealed breaches by Chelsea are NOT the same that they already self-reported?
PGMOL loves it though.
They've got no choice because they know the independent regulator is on the way and they need to show that they're complying with their own rules.
And that independent regulator is why I don't buy this "City will get away with it" rhetoric. Don't mistake silence for incompetence in this case.
And that independent regulator is why I don't buy this "City will get away with it" rhetoric.
Money talks, no matter the time and age. What's more, who even is the independent regulator? Don't the PGMOL have something similar?
Most of the systems we've created are brilliant, economic, technological whatever. Its man that's fallible.
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