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I was the only one who thought this of Erica Ortega was non-binary or trans man? (thelemmy.club)
submitted 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) by to c/startrek@startrek.website
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When I started watching the series, I had this doubt. As the three seasons went by, I came to the conclusion that she was simply a woman.

There was a character in the Fallout series, Dane, and I completely missed the fact that they were non-binary. I thought they were more of a tomboy character, but no—the character is non-binary, and the actor is a trans man, if I'm not mistaken.

I want to know if I was the only one who thought Erica might be the same case.

It's weird to say because I usually try not to make assumptions about people, but sometimes I feel rude for not noticing these things sooner.

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[–] 36 points 3 months ago (22 children)

What made you assume that? Because she has short hair? She used feminine pronouns the entire time and they never made mention of her biological sex.

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  • [–] 17 points 3 months ago (12 children)

    Yeah I mean she was gender swamped from her TOS counterpart. But really the beauty of star trek is it really shouldn't matter. She was pilot first that happens to identity as a woman and likes her hair styled that way.

    That is what was star trek all about is not about calling out each identity, race and culture in celebration in an after school special kind of way but to normalize all kinds of people being up on that bridge.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 3 months ago (11 children)

    she was gender swamped from her TOS counterpart.

    What you mean with this? I didn't understand.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (8 children)
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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago* (7 children)

    That link seems broken for me, it says "bad title"

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    I think this is the correct link, for José Tyler: https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Tyler

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

    Weirdly that link doesn't work for me either 😅 I figured it was just my browser but it didnt work in chrome, firefox, or cromite, so something is fucked up on my end, but I dunno what it is lol

    Edit: yeah, something is jank with it on my end, I just opened it via search, the link was the same. I copy pasted it into another tab and that worked fine. And then I put it in a comment in my lemmy client and clicked on the URL and it didnt work just like with yours 🤷🏻‍♂️ who knows lol

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Weird just search José Tyler that's the character she is based on

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    José Tyler that's the character she is based on

    Nope, she's clearly a completely different character. Tyler would have been on the crew during "The cage", which takes place before the events of Discovery s2. According to his Memory Alpha entry:

    By 2258, Tyler would be superseded as navigator by Lt. Amin. (DIS: "Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2")

    Also, Tyler is listed on Memory Alpha as navigator, Ortegas as senior helmsman. Sure, it's a fan wiki, but Trekkies are sticklers for these things.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    A bit tomboyish, maybe. She was quite dashing as the knight from the fantasy book episode. And definitely had a thing going with the ranger character.

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    I forgot about being the knight of a fantasy book during that episode, well, that something else who make me doubt she was a female.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Doubt why? Unless they are actually labeling her as trans or non-binary in the show there shouldn't be any reason to doubt what she presents herself as. In Discovery they had a non-binary character (Adira) and addressed it head-on before SNW was even airing.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    My doubt it was if she was a woman with short hair or actually a transgender man.

    Not all person introduce as trans, so I feel like a fool when I find out Dane in Fallout was a man, I thought it was a woman with short hair like the case of Erica.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago

    I'm sure this is a cultural/language thing, but saying you "felt like a fool" sounds pretty odd. Nobody is trying to trick you here. These people are just living their lives and working as actors. Their gender identity shouldn't really matter toward the character or story unless the show wants to specifically highlight it like in the case of DSC.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 3 months ago* (3 children)

    Her behaviour, a little bit the short hair but more the way she act, I was expecting in one episode to hear something like "My pronouns are they". Also, even if I saw the serie on english, I give more attention to the spanish subtitles, so pronouns are used slightly different.

    It was my fault for having my doubts, but also when I didn't in first season of Fallout series it was actually trans, I'm wrong of don't saw it before?

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    • [–] 24 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    I didn’t, but I’m also a short haired woman who sometimes behaves the way she does and isn’t super girly.

    I just thought she was the hottest person on the bridge of that starship, regardless of gender.

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  • [–] [S] 8 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    For me the hottest is Pike, is a very handsome man and his hair is cool as hell.

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    • [–] 12 points 3 months ago

    I thought she was too. Then it made me sad she wasn't. The main reason is because I know a lot of non-binary people who kinda look And act in the same kinda way so I guess I was just presuming she would be.

    But if course of she was explicitly non-binary they wouldn't be able to have more then 2 seasons because of waves at everything.

    But yeah I did too.

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    [–] 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

    For some reason, La'an Noonien-Singh and Erica Ortegas always remind me of the Belters from The Expanse. No idea if it's the make-up or hairstyle. Wonder if that's just me... But every other scene I expect them to drop the fake accent, speak Belter language and plot against someone. Especially La'an sometimes shows character traits which go roughly that direction. Make-up art also fits.

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    • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    I have always thought of her as a woman but really that haircut does nothing for her.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 3 months ago

    Don't take me wrong, I used to been a long hair man and people think I was a woman, but it was for more reasons than just the haircut, but I cannot explain exactly why I thought she gonna be a non-binary or trans male.

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