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Europe to the world: ‘Canada is with us’ as it joins defence alliance in historic first (www.yacnews.com)
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Europe to the world: ‘Canada is with us’ as it joins defence alliance in historic first

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[–] 40 points 4 months ago (14 children)

I know this is official, but the headline reads as if Canada never helped in the World Wars.

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  • [+] -37 points 4 months ago* (13 children)

    Technically we didn't really as we where not a country. We had to join cause the UK joined.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Holy shit, is Canadian history education this bad? Go to school.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Getting downvoted because history lol.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Wait, are you saying Auli is getting downvoted even though they're right? Because what they are saying is NOT true for WWII.

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  • [–] -2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    They are just saying the UK pulled us into war when it was within their jurisidiction to do so. They arent passing any judgement on the valor or sacrifice of our forces.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago*

    Tell that to all the young Canadian men who never got to grow old. Many of our highschools have huge war memorials b/c entire generation of teenagers who used to attend highschools - died in WW2.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    That's WW1, bro.

    Canada declared war in WW2 a week (to the day, iirc) after the UK. It was a deliberate political move by King, particularly due to the legacy of the Conservatives forcing conscription on Quebec after running on "no conscription" as a policy platform, permanently damaging the Cons electability in Quebec. By putting the view to parliament, and not whipping the Liberals to view fire declaring war, insulated the Liberals from political backlash from Quebec and asserted Canada's independence as a nation (which plays well in Quebec, in particular, ironically.)

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    • [–] 36 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Welcome Canada ! We love you guys.

    Elbows up!

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    • [–] 20 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Now if only we could join the EU, or maybe create the CANZUK.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    The UK is on the road to voting in a far right anti Europe party. CANZUK could happen but make it like CANZUAUS or something.

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    • [–] 14 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    Is it weird that Canada is in and UK isn't?

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  • [–] 27 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    UK told Europe to fuck off in 2016.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    I'm from the UK. I remember when it happened. I think so many people underestimated how stupid and lost people felt and decided that this was a good action to use.

    Childhood friend of mine said something like, my dad had his own house, granddad had his own house ... these immigrants come and live two families to a house ... I don't want that for my kid.

    I was like, I get it ... but this doesn't solve the problem you're looking for ... he needed more Gary's Economics than Nigel Farage.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    ah...but 10 years later the millions who voted Brexit are somehow blaming politicians. It was a referendumb.

    What was most hilarious was the top Google search the next day after the referendumb in UK was "what is brexit?"

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    To be fair to those millions, the politicians involved in trying to get brexit through were going everywhere spreading propaganda on how good it would be (eg: 200 MILLION MORE MONEY FOR NHS), so yeah I think they have a lot of the blame.

    I know they lie all the time, but still.. it made the vote (in peoples heads) "Give £200 million to NHS?", so they picked yes to leave, but pretty sure the NHS didnt see that money, because it was either a lie from the start or they needed it to make up for the grave losses from everywhere else because of the change idk.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    okay, to be fair ... when the vote was coming up ... I didn't even know why we were voting about it. I looked up what remain and leave were about and I was like ... well I don't see advantage here to leave, so I voted to remain.

    Then I came back to Canada to see my family. I told all my EU coworkers that this will never pass before I left. I then had to message them on Slack telling them I was so wrong ...

    I remember telling my SF coworkers that they better get out to vote because we joked about Brexit and Trump is running and you don't want to make a similar mistake.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    From what I've been reading it seems the UK is in a hurry to get back as well

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Why would EU let them back, it costs billions to split and join and if let back, they would likely try and split again when another Right Winger is chronically elected.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago*

    Pretty sure it's best for all parties, and the EU knows that. But the UK does have to leave it at least 10 years so it looks like they knew what they were doing and meant to do it.

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    • [–] 13 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    In these times, where "allies" treat others as enemies, it's good to know we still have friends in North America

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago

    Good to know we have friends anywhere since the meth family moved in next door....again.

    I always felt closer to EU than the USA ideologically anyways, I just think so much policy was put through due to the US and competing for workers etc. I imagine it's a bit of a fire sale on good talent from the US though they'd get a number of offers for the best. Taxes make things possible for countries being selfish helps no one but the self which, and sorry if it offends, but that seemed like the core ideology down there. It's just been taken to the extreme now.

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    • [–] 12 points 4 months ago* (12 children)

    EU membership when?!?!?!

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago* (5 children)

    I don't get how we aren't. We share a land border with Denmark and we're closer to France than the Netherlands are.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    technically, we're closer to France than we are to any other EU contry besides Denmark... there's a little island just off of Newfoundland that's still French.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

    That's what I was referring to, the distance to travel from Canada to France (that island) is less than it is to travel from the Netherlands to France

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Ehhhh, maybe when y'all get a bit more left wing than "Adjacent Left of the USA".

    The last election Canada also almost elected it's own Trump, and Carney is still pretty right wing too - I'd say more than Italy's Meloni, who herself is pretty right wing.

    We just got an improved Hungary back after all.

    Plus dealing with the constant "chat control" clones in the EU parliament would only get harder with Canada joining.

    I'd like Canada to join eventually, but hopefully next election you'll have better governments than Carney and Ford. And Alberta will be more stable. That too.

    In the meantime, it gives us a chance to improve in the EU a bit more too and keep fighting off the wave of fascism and corporatism as well, hopefully.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (3 children)

    Bullshit. Canada is further left than the majority of EU members. Canada is as left as pre-AFD Germany.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    Examples?...

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (1 child)

    Left wing causes like legal weed, reducing tax breaks for foreign real estate investment, QC/BC as a voting block, the country as a whole also tends towards Western European ideals of stability and living conditions. Canada’s public transit is usable despite having the absolute most challenging winters of any EU country, with places like Winnipeg being as harsh as Siberia. Canada will never be as left wing as Malta, Portugal, or Barcelona, but there’s no need to make that the expectation for EU membership.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    That's not further left than most EU countries. Lefter then the problematic members (maybe Greece?) but it's about on par with Poland, except the Carney government wants to take it further right still.

    Literally one example: https://lemmy.ca/post/65189648

    So that's what I meant maybe not under your current government, especially but while VDL is in the EU commission. It'll just empower the right wing in both area further at the moment.

    Trade agreements and defense treaties would be best in the meantime, though hopefully voters in Canada realize those are despite Carney and his party, and not because of him directly.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    I'm a dual eu-canadian citizen and I don't want Canada to join because it would shrink the range of policy options available to Canada. Avi Lewis' whole political program is basically illegal within the EU rules on state aid. Even Trudeau's fiscal policies to increase the debt would have been afoul of the stability and growth pact. Basically currently to get democratic socialist policies in Canada we just have to beat the liberals and conservatives, a tall order on its own and a incredibly hard task. Within the EU, we go from incredibly hard to nearly impossible.

    So, tighter integration, yes. More cooperation with the EU absolutely. But membership is a bridge too far.

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    • [–] 7 points 4 months ago

    Congrats Canada and EU. The Orange Kool-Aid guzzlers can choke on cheeseburgers.

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