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[–] 138 points 4 months ago (30 children)

Better yet. Boycott the genocide supporting asshats completely.

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  • [–] 40 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I've been a diehard fan since 2009 but I stopped watching 2 years ago. It's not been easy and I miss the show, but I can't support this

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  • [–] 27 points 4 months ago (21 children)

    Regrettably Eurovision is Europe's largest (unofficial) pride event. It's a time you can dress up in all your most fabulous attire and queen out, with complete impunity. Allowing the Israelis to steal that from us would be an absolute tragedy. Of course if their vote manipulation actually wins it for them, that's a different story.

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  • [–] 45 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    Bad news fam, Israel has already stolen it years ago, even somewhat turned it into a propaganda for them.

    It's high time those racist, murderous scum are kicked out, or all that fabulous is moved somewhere else.

    As it stands now, Eurovision is as hypocritical as it gets. They boycott Russia but bend over backwards for Israel. Palestinian flags have been banned for years now.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    The Russian state broadcaster - not the country mind you - was suspended because it and Russia openly violate the EBU statutes, not because of the war. Press freedom in Russia took a nosedive after the beginning of the war.

    Belarus was suspended in 2021 for the exact same reasons already mind you. There is also no specific Eurovision suspension, only a suspension from the EBU entirely.

    The Israeli state broadcaster and Israel does, as far as I know, not violate these statutes. Or rather, any interpretation that would lead that state broadcaster to be suspended must suspend several others as well. As such, the EBU executive board has no grounds to suspend the Israeli state broadcaster with the current rules.

    Even something like targeting journalists in a war zone would not be a violation I believe because the EBU statutes only refer to the country's own territory. It's just a war crime.

    That's why the Israeli suspension from Eurovision was put to a vote before the other members last year and not decided by the executive board, like with the Russian and Belarusian broadcasters.

    There is no hypocrisy. A country committing genocide does not violate the EBU statutes because they do not concern themselves with anything but broadcasting. As soon as Israel starts being like Russia in that regard there are grounds for suspension.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    That is not true, they retroactively changed the narrative why Russia was kicked off. Originally it was about the war.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdfX4_NDNXY

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    I've looked at a couple of sources online.

    Originally Russian broadcasters were only suspended from Eurovision that year because many other members refused to participate.

    A month or so later, the suspension of Russian broadcasters from the EBU was announced for the reasons I named above.

    But I think one important correction could be made to what I said: It is possible to suspend members from Eurovision for stability reasons. Israel would presumably not be able to be suspended from the EBU entirely like Russia and Belarus were - after all Turkey and Egypt are still members - but a suspension from Eurovision for the same reason as Russia is plausible if enough members refused to participate.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago

    Gay marriage was legalised first in the Netherlands in Europe. Then Belgium and then Spain. The Netherlands and Spain are boycotting Eurovision.

    Maybe we should join the pioneers in pride progress and take a stance against Eurovision altogether.

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    [–] 30 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    why is Israel even in Eurovision? they're in Asia

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago*

    Because the important factor is being in the European Broadcasting Area. This area is bigger than the European sub-continent and includes all countries with Mediterranean coastline and some countries to the east of Israel. Wikipedia has this helpful map:

    dark green: Countries which have participated in the Contest at least once.

    yellow: Countries which are eligible to participate, but have not (yet) done so.

    light green: Countries which have competed in the contest as a part of another country, but never as a sovereignty.

    red: Countries which were supposed to compete in the contest but withdrew right before the final.

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:EurovisionParticipants.svg

    As you can see Marokko competed one time, Tunesia and Lebanon had had at one time real plans to compete and Jordan and Irak are also eligible but opt to not participate.

    Australia on the other hand isn't eligible at all but requires a special invitation from the EBU which they have received every year for the last ten years and are likely to receive until the contest collapses.

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago

    Eurovision

    1% music

    99% nationalist pseudopolitics

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    🇳🇱

    Love Jews, boycott zionists

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    I don't know why Israel just had to keep participating in Eurovision and pushing so hard for the win.

    You know how the competition goes, right? You get huge hype along the lines of "ooh I think Finland has real chance of winning this year" and then, I dunno, Bulgaria randomly wins or something. Every time. There clearly are forces at work beyond our mortal comprehension here, and no nation-state can meddle with it.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Moroccanoil, the ESC sponsor, is despite what its name suggests an Israeli company. So the overall incentive structure there might be a tad skewed.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    It's because it normalises them. A huge part of their identity and the way the ethnic cleansing, apartheid, and genocide is sold or justified in the west is through this idea that pissrael is a "civilized" western nation. And a big part of that is them joining in fun stuff with other "civilized" western nations.

    Pissrael is able to do what they do because their electorate largely believes that what they're doing is the right thing, even now. There are plenty of polls to show this (aside from actual election results of course). Dispelling pissraelis of this notion plays an important role in ending the apartheid. And we have a historical example of ending apartheid this way. The exclusion from rugby games and cultural events were a consistent generator of "are we the baddies" moments for white South Africans when they had their apartheid. Avoiding those kinds of moments is very important to pissrael.

    Anyway that's how I see it.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Conveniently, you can't support your own country.

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    [+] 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (5 children)
  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

    Before I had a smartphone, I used to consume memes in subreddits' RSS feeds with the Opera Mini browser. The already tiny preview images were scaled down to 140x140 and compressed to 5kB JPEGs by the transcoder. At least the phone didn't scale them down, the software is incapable of rendering images outside native resolution...

    Yes, it's worse than sans-serif would be at that size but I can read most characters and figure out the rest from context. And you can tilt the phone to adjust the contrast (bad viewing angles on that TFT, significant color changes even between eyes at normal viewing distance). It looks better in person without the moirè and in the dark with the scratches being less prominent.

    Dude, your setup must suck...

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    [–] 9 points 4 months ago

    Better yet don't support Eurovision

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Part of me wants to see what shitshow it becomes when it gets hosted in Tel Aviv.

    Otherwise I don't watch and don't care.

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    [–] 8 points 4 months ago

    Only person and only time I've ever cared about Eurovision is because Look Mum No Computer is in it and I love his stuff and have followed for a while. Sad he didn't get to do a live performance on his synth because of the rules tho

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago

    Interacting with Eurovision at all is not ok imo. Aside from gleefully hosting and spreading propaganda (one of Israel's entries the past two years had blatant genocidal rhetoric in it) for a nation committing a genocide, the main sponsor is an Israeli company. Or at least it was in previous years. I haven't seen anything Eurovision related this year.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    ... how exactly do you think eurovision works?

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    Bulgaria's song is kind of a banger too so that helps lol

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago*

    That might be an empty set if we are talking about countries who were able to meaningfully oppose Israel. And for countries that condemn Israel once in a while but keep sending weapons and trading with them? Well...

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    last time it was Iran, right?.... They got way too many votes for their mediocre performance, clearly indicating some bs...

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  • [–] [S] 23 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    since when is iran in eurovision? I meant bulgaria lol

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