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[-] resipsaloquitur@lemmy.cafe 50 points 1 week ago

But think of billionaires' bottom lines!

[-] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I don't live in the US so mostly I'm thinking of who's gonna pay for my retirement and healthcare when I'm old.

I'm paying for the current old people's retirement and healthcare. That's fine, it's the social contract we have in our nation: everyone gets taken care of and those who can work, pay a lot of tax to make it happen. If the population decline gets bad enough, there will be no one to do the same for my generation.

Oh and they populist conservatives did a pension reform so you can take out whatever you've gathered in your second pillar even at age 20 if you want (at which point it'll probably be in the hundreds of euros lol) and can't resume payments (which were matched by the government - you pay 2, 4 or 6 percent and government pays 4% of your gross income) for 10 years. Worst deal ever for most people taking it out if they want to retire at one point. And a third of the population took it out. They now have to fully depend on the first pillar (government) pension, which isn't based on past investments at all, it's taken from the working population's social taxes when you retire. So far more directly affected by the population decline. I'm betting they'll eventually forcibly fuck it up for the rest of us to pay for the retirements of those who took it out.

[-] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Most countries have billionaires pulling strings at the top.

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[-] Maxxie@piefed.blahaj.zone 35 points 1 week ago

Tax-funded retirement is fucked, but like, who still thinks they're having one.

[-] twopi@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 week ago

All retirements will collapse not just public ones. It's called the asset meltdown hypothesis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqSwRHc-1MQ

[-] BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Old people aren't investments

[-] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Well, with that attitude probably not.

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[-] xia@lemmy.ca 27 points 1 week ago
[-] asg101@lemmy.ca 22 points 1 week ago

The oligarchs haven't figured that out quite yet. They want to starve us out of existence, but still want to pig out at the government troughs. Where is that money going to come from when all the jobs are being done by AI and robots?

[-] LostWon@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 week ago

See that's the neat part when it comes to tech oligarchs, specifically. They believe in TESCREAL/Transhumanism so they're aiming to become the AI robots! YAY! /s

[-] Mycatiskai@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 week ago
[-] LostWon@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 week ago

By the time things reach that point, it could be too late. TESCREALists are like planetary eugenicists. You know how Thiel couldn't answer the question about whether humanity should live in that one interview? He's not the only one. Their fantasy of what comes next will never work, but that doesn't mean they won't do unfathomable harm to the globe trying to make their sick dreams come true.

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[-] TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 week ago

Yay! Less humans to create less suffering!

[-] tooks@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

I can't think of anything more irresponsible and selfish than procreation in the 21st century. Why would anyone want to end their own life and subject themselves to the stress of ensuring their craft human survives and becomes a relatively average coal miner.

[-] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago
[-] tooks@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago
[-] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I'm not going to fault someone who has the means to provide for a child for making that choice. It's a very personal one, just as not having a child is.

[-] RickyRigatoni@retrolemmy.com 18 points 1 week ago

I am more than willing to fix the declining birth rates in every country but nobody is accepting my offers =/

[-] auzy1@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago
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[-] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I make it my personal responsibility in life to constantly bring up the necessity of immigration as the solution to age disparity and population decline. There are working people. There are as many as you could ever need, tens of millions, perhaps hundreds. It's never going to be an issue which can't be solved with immigration.

[-] binux@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 week ago

I don't see how this is a solution so much as delaying the problem for future generations to deal with. What happens when the countries the immigrants are coming from start to face the same issue (if it isn't happening for them already?) It's basically the population equivalent of the "one more lane bro" philosophy.

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[-] Hikermick@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

Not a problem unless you were counting on collecting social security

[-] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

I don't know if I plan on being around that long

[-] MML@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago

You could withhold your taxes but doing that would be too large an action for most Americans.

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[-] EatYourOrach@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 week ago

There are 8.3 Billion people on the planet and there were 7.5 ten years ago. We have enough people. We have enough resources for everyone to live comfortably and be well in their communities. We have more than enough money and other valuable things to trade.

The main thing getting in our way isn't a low birth rate.

Anyone genuinely concerned with the depopulation of humans in 2026 is probably some flavour of breeder cult weirdo, and the only ones constantly banging on about it in politics, academia, the news, etc are imperialists, industrialists and racist patriarchs. IME.

[-] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 week ago

I agree with you that there are too many people on this world, and yes, we can do with way less.

Having said that

A little bit lower that the 2.1 birthrate is fine, A very low birth rate is very bad for everyone. Sudden changed on demographics will fuck your country up and can make it disappear in a hundred years without you realizing it until it's too late

Demographics is like a slow moving cargo train, you only hear some humming and then some blaring and then when it hits you it won't stop or even slow down for a second

Countries like South Korea are at risk for their very existence and really should act now to avoid the day that North Korea can just walk in because they won't have enough people left to even take care of themselves

China has a similar problem and it's bad. They have a huge amount of people becoming old and unable to add to the economy anymore and requiring more and more help from others... That means that more money will go out to the old, and there is less money for the young to get kids and add to the next generation. This is in part why there are so few kids these days, it's simply too expensive to have any.

Lowering your population slowly and carefully is fine. Having your population drop off a cliff like it's happening in many counties world wide is a disaster

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[-] orenj@leminal.space 12 points 1 week ago

But what about the orphan grinder? Wont somebody think of the orphan grinder?

[-] Drusas@fedia.io 7 points 1 week ago

The machine needs cogs!

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[-] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 week ago
[-] Folstar@lemmus.org 8 points 1 week ago

Way ahead of you.

[-] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 6 points 1 week ago

But there’ll be fewer workers for the oligarchs to lay off! How are they going to signal to shareholders that operating costs will be lower next quarter?

[-] BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

If growth doesn't compensate for shrinking working population, you'll be fucked. Somone has to work so you have your retirement.

[-] WhoIsTheDrizzle@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Not really, we're just being looted and exploited by the ownership class. We have plenty of productivity to take care of everyone: https://www.epi.org/productivity-pay-gap/

[-] MisterD@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 week ago

Why not make billionaires an illegal thing. Poof! You have money for retirement for everyone

[-] pizzamann2472@feddit.org 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Money isn't the issue in the end, the issue is that you still need enough people in working age so that you can use the money to get the goods and services that you need as a retiree.

If a large number of people retire without finding any young successor, services just become more and more inaccessible. Like e.g. if there are not enough doctors in your area because many of them retired, you won't get treatment even with money, because the capacity just isn't enough anymore to treat everybody. If a car shop closes down because the mechanic retires, you cannot get your car repaired there any longer, even with a lot of money, and so on..

An old society means that the area decays, more and more places close down or cannot get maintained any longer. And money doesn't help because numbers in a bank account don't do the real work. There are already a few old regions around the globe where this can be seen

[-] BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

Finally somone who gets it. It's like economic 101 in school: Money is fundamentally worthless. It can only buy as much as the economy is able to produce

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