geteilt von: https://lemmy.world/post/8371095

Long post and well worth the read, but the interesting part to me is this:

Windows operating system and apps

Customers using Windows have always used a combination of operating system functionality as well as apps, but now Windows will clearly identify operating system functionality in places like Settings, Start, and Search:

  • Settings > System > System Components will show notable operating system components.
  • Start menu’s All Apps list has been renamed to All and operating system components are labeled with “system”.
  • Under Search, search results will show operating system components labeled with “system”.

All apps in Windows can be uninstalled. Of course, apps can always be installed again from the Microsoft Store and internet. Settings > Apps > Installed apps continue to show all the apps installed on the PC and we’ve added the ability to uninstall:

  • Camera
  • Cortana
  • Web Search from Microsoft Bing, in the EEA
  • Microsoft Edge, in the EEA
  • Photos

top 50 comments

sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] 125 points 2 years ago (27 children)

So, they went to the trouble of keeping a different set of functionalities just for Europe instead of unshittifying Windows for everyone. Wow.

  • source
  • hideshow 27 child comments
  • [–] 64 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    So it must be worth a lot of money to force al of that stuff on users right?

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 9 child comments
  • [–] 29 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    Nobody would be using their ad-bloated software otherwise

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 8 child comments
  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    Is it that bad now? I don’t use windows products in my private life, only at work. And I don’t find things that bad over there, but maybe that’s because it’s windows for business

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 7 child comments
  • load more comments (3 replies)
  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago (11 children)

    You can use Linux for free which has never been shittified.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 11 child comments
  • load more comments (7 replies)
  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago*

    Hmm... but the registry hooks for those uninstalls must be in there even if the option isn't surfaced in the UI right?

    Maintaining different UI options is one thing, maintaining completely different OS versions is another... and it seems like it would be prohibitively complex and expensive to do that.

    Probably all you'd need is for someone with the EU version to export a backup of the relevant parts of their registry, and distribute that so anyone who wants to can have the same uninstall options. The trick would be keeping it that way through Windows updates.

  • source
  • parent
  • load more comments (1 reply)
    [–] 94 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    "system components" is a weird way of spelling forced bloatware.

  • source
  • hideshow 6 child comments
  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Well... dependencies can still exist, which would justify the "system" marking. For example, different programs' WebViews depend on Edge nowadays, though maybe it is possible to isolate having that rendering engine without having the full browser program.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 5 child comments
  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Microsoft already has a webview software that deals with that, which afaik already also comes with Windows, and is independent of Edge.

    Edge, the browser proper, is in no way a dependency of anything else.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago

    This came about from the Netscape v MSFT browser wars; where MSFT tried to argue that because IE was bolted directly into the OS, it therefore had to come preinstalled without asking & could not be uninstalled. The court ordered them to unbolt it & bundle it as a separate install - just like other browsers.

  • source
  • parent
  • load more comments (3 replies)
  • [–] 79 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Why yes, Microsoft, I do live in Europe, why do you ask?

  • source
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 66 points 2 years ago (15 children)

    I'd like to see this on android too. That shit is the worst. I know we can root and remove it or disable it. It should not be there in the first place and it should definitely be removable.

  • source
  • hideshow 15 child comments
  • [–] 24 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    fyi a lot of preinstalled crapware can be uninstalled just by using adb, no need to root

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 4 child comments
  • load more comments (2 replies)
  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    The big issue here is that it’s both the carriers and the manufacturers who make money off the crapware that’s preinstalled. Many Android phones are generally cheaper by hardware spec compared to iPhones specifically because someone is making money of the preinstalled crapware.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago

    Don't kid yourself, phone cost exactly as much as the company selling them can charge. They don't lower the price because they are making money off the crapware. It only increases their profits.

    Android phones are cheaper than iPhones because people are willing to pay more for iPhones.

  • source
  • parent
  • load more comments (2 replies)
  • load more comments (6 replies)
    [–] 47 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    Uninstalling Windows entirely has improved my sanity immensely.

  • source
  • hideshow 7 child comments
  • load more comments (3 replies)
    [–] 32 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    We’ll be updating  Windows 10, version 22H2 and Windows 11, version 23H2 PCs in the EEA to be compliant by March 6th, 2024.

    Not just Win11, but Win10 as well. Nice.

  • source
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • load more comments (1 reply)
    [–] 32 points 2 years ago

    If the EU could force them to allow us to fully disable tracking as well, that would be great.

  • source
  • [–] 30 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    "I'm from the government and I'm here to help" is a very good thing when the government gives a shit about the people it governs.

  • source
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • load more comments (1 reply)
    [–] 26 points 2 years ago

    "Let" more like forced by the eu

  • source
  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Windows uses the region chosen by the customer during device setup to identify if the PC is in the EEA. Once chosen in device setup, the region used for DMA compliance can only be changed by resetting the PC.

    Uuh. I hope I have that set to my actual location despite using en-US as display language.

    Thinking about it, I'm pretty sure it should be correct.

    I hate when apps use your format settings instead of display language to decide the language they display. Having to reset the Windows installation would be a much bigger hassle though.

  • source
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • load more comments (1 reply)
    [–] 18 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Wish they would also do that with Win10.

  • source
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • load more comments (1 reply)
    [–] 10 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Can I please pay full price on just Windows without any “telemetry”?

  • source
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • load more comments (3 replies)
    [–] 8 points 2 years ago

    Bing is a sytem component now?

  • source
  • load more comments
    view more: next ›