It's hilariously sad to me that some people feel the need to let everyone know they dislike this particular comic.
News flash: NOBODY CARES IF YOU DON'T LIKE THIS, PLENTY OF OTHERS DO!
So keep whining about how much you think a particular artist sucks, nobody is listening.
I don't have any stance on this comic or this artist (never seen them before), but comment sections are kind of exactly for opinions to be shared.
There's discussion, then there's just repeatedly showing up to things you don't like just to tell people how much you don't like them. Technically still "just an opinion" but honestly no one wants to hear it after the second time.
What's the goal there? Win Best Hater award? Have everyone pander to you and stop posting? Bah, away with that nonsense.
Thank you Mr. Boopy uwu
Edit: That's it, turn that >:( upside >:3
I just don't like the artstyle or the humor. I don't think I've ever encountered a cat comic from this author, so I can't say those are any better or worse.
That seems to be what most of the criticism is, but because all the comics are generally expressing a very obvious take, people equate criticizing it as saying you disagree with the message of it. Add that in with the 1/10000 comment that's some idiot right winger who hates it for idiot right winger reasons and you get the massive pushback-against-the-pushback like you see here.
But it's quintessential, low effort, upvote-farming reddit spam. Very performatively left wing and disingenuous.
What I find weird is that people seem to find it very important to say that they don't like Pizza Cake. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
there's a purity culture of hating PizzaCake it seems like. rather than just not liking PizzaCake, some people have to prove they hate PizzaCake. what's the goal of proving you hate PizzaCake? to feel included and socially accepted. the funny thing is i've only ever seen this culture of proving you hate something arise around women, girls, and things women and girls like. i'm about to age myself a little bit but here's a list of things that have gotten these purity hate cultures around them since i've been able to notice:
and for all those people, and things, the purity culture around hating them just keeps them in the zeitgeist, an effect that has only been intensified by engagement driven algorithms. when you make it a point to say you hate something, you are platforming that thing and the things you say you don't like about it.
personally, i like Pizza Cake on the whole. i think she has some insights. i don't find anything amazing or detestible about the art style. it's just… a newspaper cartoonist's style. it's unique enough to be evidently hers while being clean enough to appear alongside other comics with a similar blend of insight, comedy, and personal testimony. it also helps her have a consistent style across the run of her comic. i see a lot of people complaining that the art hasn't shown signs of practice or improvement, but that's… exactly the aim of this style of cartooning. to be extremely consistent and repeatable in order to meet deadlines and to allow resharing long after the original was shared in the event it becomes relevant again.
i guess my point is… if you, the reader, hate PizzaCake, that's fine. i won't convince you to not. but you won't convince me to hate it either. so just move along. proving you hate something only makes that thing more visible to others. do what i do when i hate stuff: don't talk about it or think about it. if you come across it you can say "oh, here's another thing that's doing something similar i just like a little more better"
not everything has to be vitriol all the time
Only seen this culture of hate around women
Yeah, that's toxic masculinity incel culture for you.
WOMEN BAD, WAIT WHY NO ONE SEX ME, WAAAAAAA
for sure. i wasn't gonna touch on that since there was already so much to say but for most of us on this platform, misogyny is the hegemony that's so built up that it's become invisible to us
I don't, personally. I never mentioned it on this platform until this comic specifically addressed the topic.
That’s fair, people have their preferences.
It’s only an issue when it’s toxic misogynistic nonsense or “snark” hate. Which PizzaCake attracts a lot of from the reddit crowd.
She did fuck up with a bad take in one comic - not that the bad take was such a fuckup, but her behavior in the wake of it was ridiculous. However, that was one incident, and we have a larger trend of her publications to draw conclusions from. In light of that, I see someone who is generally on the right side of humanitarian issues, who had a bad take and got overly defensive about it. I do NOT see someone who accidentally went mask-off and revealed a true evil behind their online persona. Which, I think, is the take the reddit crowd you mentioned would have us believe.
What was that bad take?
The comic was "what if people talked to men the way men talk to women" but what it depicted was a series of situations that many men have actually experienced in their lives.
You don't happen to have a link, do you? I tried looking for it but I couldn't find it ;-;
The comic was left up here, but the thread is a radioactive crater that I must caution you against scrolling down into:
new game: take a drink every time some dude posts here saying they don't like pizzacake.
recommendation: they should be water. if you do this challenge with adult beverages you'll die
I love your comics. Please keep going. Fuck living life to Please haters. They can fuck right off.
this wasn't posted by the creator :)
Counterpoint, you can have a multi dimensional opinion instead of blind love or hate.
Some of her stuff is funny but imo there is a lot of cringe too
I believe that PizzaCake is Penny Arcade for women, and Penny Arcade is PizzaCake for men.
This opinion may piss some people off, and I don't care. The comics are of equal quality, but PizzaCake has more opinions I agree with because I, too, am a gender minority.
Man you're gonna shit when you find out women have been reading PA the entire time
No complaints about the comic here, but if I/we may go off on a tangent about the subject matter:
To what extent is "destroy the patriarchy" a red herring to get people angry at "men" rather than "sociopathic billionaires of all genders?"
Sexism is still a thing, of course, just like racism and all kinds of other awful shit. But those awful parts of our nature are often stoked by those in control to keep the attention off of them. "No war but class war," as the Lemmings say.
In my little corner of the world, when I see memes about crushing/destroying the patriarchy, it's usually in the social context of a sticker on suburban moms' Stanley cups, or t-shirts, or even occasionally SUVs. They (mostly) hate Trump, sure, but they have no problem with J. K. Rowling or Kamala Harris.
To what extent is "destroy the patriarchy" a red herring to get people angry at "men" rather than "sociopathic billionaires of all genders?"
Very little. The patriarchy is not about "men better than women," but about enforcing rigid social roles that restrict everybody. Men are expected to show strength, be emotionless, and give their lives in the pursuit of social status far more than women. They are then brainwashed by the power they hold over women into thinking this is a good thing, all the while making us all less free.
This dynamic is so powerful and so prevalent that it is the single greatest social strategy the oligarchs have access to. Every fascist movement on earth succeeds or fails depending on how well they exploit men's place in the patriarchy. The problem with patriarchy lies not in who wears the crown, but how it turns average men into loyal foot soldiers.
On the other hand, women like JK Rowling reinforce their own oppression, as do the actually toxic women who spend all their time hating men. They ostracize other women for not meeting their standards while viewing relationships with men as purely transactional and oppositional. Transphobia is common as they seek to make rigid distinctions between themselves and men. In doing this they cement their roles in society, which only serves both patriarchy and oligarchy.
So no, destroying the patriarchy is not a distraction from class war, but an essential part in winning it. It has nothing to do with hating men, and the myth that it does is propaganda that only serves hierarchy.
It is not a red hearing at all unless it is used to displace another message. So if you were talking about class warfare and your message was drowned out or disrupted by a message of destroy the patriarchy then you could say it is a red hearing.
Sexism isn't just a thing, it is "the" thing to be honest. For example, the leader of the KKK commented over a decade ago that he would rather vote for a black man (Obama) than a white woman (Hillary). Let that sink in, one of the most racist people is still more sexist than racist.
You bring up the fact that people in control use sexism to manipulate people. For sure they do just like they use racism. The crazy part is they might not even be racist or sexist themselves but they know it resonates with people so they will use it for their propaganda.
I think you make a great point about a disconnect that those who are against the patriarchy may have with class issues. On the other hand you could also tie the patriarchy to issue like transgender rights through rigid enforcement of gender roles and fueling genocide with hierarchical structures.
That's my theory for why trump won the last election.
Because that’s largely class reductionism.
Fighting class is one of the most important battles, but it is not the only one in the war on hierarchy.
It is just as it is the major problem in a lot of countries and their societies.
However, being a gal doesn't make one perfect either. Thatcher and Elizabeth destroyed womens rights, workers rights, and protected pedophiles in their ruling tenure.
Sex work is work. There's nothing wrong with PizzaCake having an OnlyFans.
The problem is that PizzaCake buys Reddit upvotes and will ban anyone on Reddit who points that out. She makes low-effort engagement bait, which wouldn't have become popular if she didn't treat it like a pay-to-win game.
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