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Mr Boopy (quokk.au)
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Alt text: A four-panel comic by Pizzacakecomic. A woman discusses people telling her to "stick to cat comics" instead of making political content. In the final panel, she presents a cat named Mr. Boopy, who says, "Destroy the patriarchy."
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[–] 36 points 4 months ago (38 children)

I just don't like the artstyle or the humor. I don't think I've ever encountered a cat comic from this author, so I can't say those are any better or worse.

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  • [–] 81 points 4 months ago (23 children)

    What I find weird is that people seem to find it very important to say that they don't like Pizza Cake. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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  • [–] 30 points 4 months ago (15 children)

    there's a purity culture of hating PizzaCake it seems like. rather than just not liking PizzaCake, some people have to prove they hate PizzaCake. what's the goal of proving you hate PizzaCake? to feel included and socially accepted. the funny thing is i've only ever seen this culture of proving you hate something arise around women, girls, and things women and girls like. i'm about to age myself a little bit but here's a list of things that have gotten these purity hate cultures around them since i've been able to notice:

    • Britney Spears
    • Boy bands
    • Jessica Simpson
    • Twilight
    • Katy Perry's come up
    • Lady Gaga
    • Carly Rae Jepson
    • indie folk
    • Hillary Clinton
    • women's marches
    • PizzaCake
    • OnlyFans models
    • AOC

    and for all those people, and things, the purity culture around hating them just keeps them in the zeitgeist, an effect that has only been intensified by engagement driven algorithms. when you make it a point to say you hate something, you are platforming that thing and the things you say you don't like about it.

    personally, i like Pizza Cake on the whole. i think she has some insights. i don't find anything amazing or detestible about the art style. it's just… a newspaper cartoonist's style. it's unique enough to be evidently hers while being clean enough to appear alongside other comics with a similar blend of insight, comedy, and personal testimony. it also helps her have a consistent style across the run of her comic. i see a lot of people complaining that the art hasn't shown signs of practice or improvement, but that's… exactly the aim of this style of cartooning. to be extremely consistent and repeatable in order to meet deadlines and to allow resharing long after the original was shared in the event it becomes relevant again.

    i guess my point is… if you, the reader, hate PizzaCake, that's fine. i won't convince you to not. but you won't convince me to hate it either. so just move along. proving you hate something only makes that thing more visible to others. do what i do when i hate stuff: don't talk about it or think about it. if you come across it you can say "oh, here's another thing that's doing something similar i just like a little more better"

    not everything has to be vitriol all the time

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  • [–] 18 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Only seen this culture of hate around women

    Yeah, that's toxic masculinity incel culture for you.

    WOMEN BAD, WAIT WHY NO ONE SEX ME, WAAAAAAA

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago

    for sure. i wasn't gonna touch on that since there was already so much to say but for most of us on this platform, misogyny is the hegemony that's so built up that it's become invisible to us

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  • [+] -14 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    Okay, but basically all of those up until "women's marches" are objectively shit. PizzaCake is fine, got more laughs from me than Grafo, back in my reddit era.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    things can only be objectively shit if they're actively harmful. of what i listed i can really only say with my whole chest that Twilight, Katy Perry post come up (hence why i specified her come up), and Hillary Clinton are actively harmful in some way. AOC also gets an asterisk because my perspective is that all politicians are to not be trusted, but AOC is one of like 3 politicians i can think of who are putting in work to reduce the amount of harm politicians do.

    i'm going to particularly push you on indie folk. what's so objectionable about rural people expressing their emotions, providing alternative programming to the actively harmful radio country? this seems less like it's "objectively shit" and more "a piece of pop culture ephemera in which you were not directly centered"

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    AOC is one of like 3 politicians i can think of who are putting in work to reduce the amount of harm politicians do.

    I'm guessing AOC, Bernie, Zohran?

    Well remember to add Greta Thunberg to the list, she's a great politician. Politics isn't just electoralism, there are direct action politicians.

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  • [–] -2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    My eyes skimmed over indie folk, I actually love that. But the rest are straight trash. Also, I've been awake for too many hours and probably nothing I post right now should be considered a reasonable take lol

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago*

    pizzacake is one of those comics where i realized that i'm just outside of its target demo and that would have felt like an uncomfortable realization if i hadn't already bought my midlife crisis bicycle. it's good for what it is, but i just don't resonate with it. her art has definitely improved since she started and she seems to enjoy it so that's cool.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    How dare they share an opinion.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

    When you phrase your opinion as "I don't like this so you shouldn't get to enjoy it or see it" that's a problem. In fact I think that's THE problem that's being called out here. Do you go into a restaurant and specifically call the cook out of the kitchen so you can announce to everyone that you think the food is bad? Because that's what it seems like.

    They are talking about "I don't like this artist, but to each their own" comments. They aren't even talking about valid criticism of the author (I see some actual valid criticism here that I'm fine with).

    I am not even a pizza cake fan. I have no skin in this race. If I never saw another one of her comics again it would not matter to me at all.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I don't follow this artist so maybe people complaining about "undue hate" toward her is right. There's a lot of toxicity out there toward women and misogyny needs to be stomped out.

    Having said that, I made my comment because the OP of this thread didn't even tell anyone to stop enjoying her comics or invalidate her points. It wasn't hateful or anything. The response to OP itself felt oppressive as if to say anything negative one has to say about strong women falls under misogyny or that it's invalid.

    I dunno, maybe I'm overthinking it. I just felt uncomfortable with the comment I responded to because I really don't like her art style either and I don't wanna see it on my feed. It made me feel I'm being accused of misogyny for having—or god forbid, sharing—such an opinion.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    Solutions have been floated in the comics community that would allow us to "tag" content by placing the author of the comic in the title so that people could filter out content they don't want by using the filters Lemmy does have.

    I understand why it wasn't adopted but it would solve this problem as well as the problem of indexing and prevent reposts of the same content.

    Either way, people are allowed to like things. They're allowed to dislike things. But messing it up for everyone over the trivial and subjective idea that someone doesn't like something that doesn't hurt anyone is I think what a lot of the comments are calling out.

    There are actualities where artists are doing real harm and those have valid criticism (looking at you JKR). But the dislike this artist often seems to get can be equated to the hate that Nickelback get. Like. I'm not presenting them as the best band to ever have lived. Not by a longshot. But they aren't like... Terrible? And music taste is subjective so what are people dunking on them hardcore for?

    That is to say it seems like hating pizza cake is trending and that's why so many people have to tell you they're vegan they hate her art.

    Sorry to the vegans for the joke. Y'all are alright. I just don't share your distaste for meat and milk.

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  • [–] [S] 22 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    That’s fair, people have their preferences.

    It’s only an issue when it’s toxic misogynistic nonsense or “snark” hate. Which PizzaCake attracts a lot of from the reddit crowd.

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  • [–] 30 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    She did fuck up with a bad take in one comic - not that the bad take was such a fuckup, but her behavior in the wake of it was ridiculous. However, that was one incident, and we have a larger trend of her publications to draw conclusions from. In light of that, I see someone who is generally on the right side of humanitarian issues, who had a bad take and got overly defensive about it. I do NOT see someone who accidentally went mask-off and revealed a true evil behind their online persona. Which, I think, is the take the reddit crowd you mentioned would have us believe.

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  • [+] 14 points 4 months ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (5 children)
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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    The comic was "what if people talked to men the way men talk to women" but what it depicted was a series of situations that many men have actually experienced in their lives.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    oof. i'm not sure anyone handled themselves well in that. it was not a good interaction for anyone involved if i remember.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago

    It is what it is. I'm aware that my personal experiences/situation/identity are topics she deals with regularly in ways that mostly agree with mine, and that that may color my attitude toward her. Neither of us can be held responsible for liking or not liking Pizzacake comics. Glad you were chill about discussing it though, pretty cool of you.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    The art style IMO is very standard newspaper comic strip. I appreciate them not trying to force something unique and distracting, like that artist that has floating off-face dots for eyes, or the one that has darkened spear-points for noses.

    Humor…well, I guess it’s the eye of the beholder. Not everyone agrees on what’s funny, and direct social commentary isn’t always meant to be funny.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    That seems to be what most of the criticism is, but because all the comics are generally expressing a very obvious take, people equate criticizing it as saying you disagree with the message of it. Add that in with the 1/10000 comment that's some idiot right winger who hates it for idiot right winger reasons and you get the massive pushback-against-the-pushback like you see here.

    But it's quintessential, low effort, upvote-farming reddit spam. Very performatively left wing and disingenuous.

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