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[–] 36 points 4 months ago (1 child)

Cool, so I can spin up a web crawler for the Utah gov site, route it through a VPN and let them fine themselves to oblivion?

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    It's websites that are supposed to be inaccessible by children within Utah that the law would affect. Not sure if the Utah government website has any 18+ pages.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    If the premise is to prevent Utah kids from accessing things then good luck enforcing those extraterritorial fines, or if you try and fine sites daft enough to be hosting their site in a place like Utah, it'll take a whole couple minutes to move.

    Either way this comes out as theatrics at best, and losing money in top of it with pointless litigation or chasing away tax and service paying businesses

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  • [+] 30 points 4 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)
  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    They're not intending to prove anything. The goal is to put the burden of risk on websites, to force them to just block VPNs completely. Even if it's unlikely that a VPN user will get unmasked as being underage, the risk of being liable if it does happen will (in theory) be too great for them to ignore.

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Time to build up the darknet into the full place to be, rather than the dregs of the earth it is now.

    Or build more off-net networks

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Came here to say this.

    It's so damn easy to put a .onion alongside any website. Everyone should do it. And watch these lawmakers' heads explode.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Cool, then people will eventually realize they can easily use VPS’s with OpenVPN or Wireguard tunnels, or they can roll their own tailscale network. We’ll stop seeing VPN ads on youtube and start receiving ads for VPS hosting services and vloggers will post instructional videos on how to bypass Utah’s and other state’s draconian laws soon enough.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    The small problem I see with using a personal VPS as a tunnel is that your IP is still unique to you specifically, albeit disconnected from your actual geolocation, rather than intermixed with thousands of other people. So they can see that "aha, it's this guy again". If you're logging in with an account though then maybe that doesn't matter.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child)

    The Internet really does threaten the people who are in power. They are currently realizing it and doing what they can to stop it. I just hope the Internet ends up winning. I used to be fairly optimistic about this in the mid-2010s when I hadn't been hearing very much from the copyright industry anymore... then, in the late 2010s, attacks on the free and open Internet really started to get serious. I wonder how much they will escalate.

    Shouldn't there be some constitutional requirement, maybe under "due process" theory or otherwise, that US state laws cannot apply to anyone who has no way of knowing that they are even doing something (in this case: serving customers) in that state? Has anything similar been litigated before?

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    USA really needs to replace the moron-class as their leaders.

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