Eh, I probably get in some kind of trouble for this, but I think it's immoral to pay taxes to the current admin.
I'm too chicken shit to not do it. Next best thing I can do is not buy anything, and after that, is to stop working.
Eh, I probably get in some kind of trouble for this, but I think it's immoral to pay taxes to the current admin.
I'm too chicken shit to not do it. Next best thing I can do is not buy anything, and after that, is to stop working.
The older I get the more I tend to favor anarchy. It seems preferable to the current system.
i mean, the older i get the better i understand anarchy so yeah.
as an aside, i think we would all be well served to give at least a cursory study to the different schools of thought around politics. not to believe them or anything, just sometimes the anarchists have the most effective, concise lingo for mutual aid. sometimes the statesian republicans might have the best lingo for gerrymandering. the demsocs probably have the best lingo for the third thing [i haven't had coffee yet give me a break], just like maga has the best lingo for jamming your own head up your own ass.
of course that makes agreeing on terms before a discussion hard as hell, but once you do you can have really productive (and fun!) discussions
Been practicing consensus for yrs. If done right, it is far better than our current decision makimg prpcesses
Ya because you are old enough to have experienced what you wanted to experience and have enough supplies to probably do fine if society collapses.
I would know, I'm an old man who is thinking the exact same thing. Just restocked on gas filters and MREs.
Just take care not to mistake rugged individualism for anarchism!
No,no,no you see years of propaganda have conflated the word anarchy with chaos therefore it must mean that!
I don't care that I have unlimited access to the world's information at the push of a few buttons that clearly show anarchism to be a broad political movement with mutual aid and cooperation at its core. I have preconceived notions that I must uphold!
YOU ARE NOT MY SUPERVISOR
Imagine a world where the rich and the ones who seek power have completely unchecked ability to buy out, crush, and take control of any industry they want. No more worrying about health codes or what pesticides are used. No safety regulations. No fire police and EMS services....
That’s not what anarchy means.
No. It's exactly what it means. There would be no government oversight for safety or regulation. No ability to prevent or slow concentrations of power, and no entity to prevent the rich and powerful from overtaking any markets. Anarchy is an extreme lack of government size and oversight.
Anarchy is also the abolition of property and profit incentives.
Which flat out will not work. There's nothing in place that can prevent it.
If organizing has gotten to the point where an anarchist revolution has happened, then enough of that spirit will be left so that the people are brave enough to stop those who try to create property again out of nothing. Anarchy is governance by society and social pressure instead of government force.
If an anarchist revolution did happend, a sub-group of people would form a government and murder/enslave the people who don't.
assuming they can fight off the revolutionaries who just overthrew the much bigger government, that is
That's the breeding ground for violence and power. Some people will always want more and that's a simple recipe to cause violence to make it happen.
There's a lot of anarchist theory and practice. Some implementations have means against that kind of stuff. It's not like nobody ever thought about it.
I'm not saying no one ever thought about it. I'm saying there's a reason it isn't a used form of government anywhere. It's absurd
It is though.
Yeah..... Did you really check over the wiki? Lol.
A handful of very, very small places. I clicked one of the links (Rojava) and it said they weren't even anarchists. It was a society based around democratic confederalism.
You could make anarchy work when there like 500 people and you walk the ones who don't play nice 5 miles down the goat path and "kick them out" and you're on 500 acres of land y'all own from a real country that you're a part of. Using money. It's stupid and naive to think it can be done on a country wide scale, or anything remotely close to it in this day and age.
Some people consider what Rojava was as anarchist or at least anarchist-adjacent and considered it one of the closest models to what a large anarchist society could look like (it was recently dissolved by force by the new Syrian government). It had ~4 million people. The Zapatista territories consist of ~300k people and controls roughly half of the state of Chiapas (larger than some small countries).
You can only gain power if you manage to take it from others, who won't just bolt away and surrender their agency. Instead, for the hungry you say, authority should be enough for such self-actualization. The difference to power is that instead of forceful mandates, authority is enabled by well-earned community trust, which is far more gratifying (and revocable).
That's like democracy, and you can see where it led. It's just a fast track to the corruption we have in the US now.
could you explain how this would lead to corruption? and at the least, it's better than electoralism, which is US democracy
All right, let's go. Let's say the entire damned country is now anarchists.
Where do you get your transportation?
Military?
Road repairs?
Education?
How is it decided that someone has too
much, and what do you do with them?
Are you going to have enough people becoming skilled nurses and doctors if they aren't compensated for it, or are they allowed more stuff than you?
What are the numbers for the people in the country, percentage wise that don't want to be in an anarchist society? What happens if they start selling drugs and cutting people in and more people start to enjoy getting to have more stuff than others? They start buying votes with favors?
Who is going to be the decision makers of any large scale projects that need done? Are you going to have society vote on how to build a sewage system, or is it going to be one person who has designed them before making the decisions and being in charge?
What happens when China or Russia or Canada or whoever else just come over and invade? Gonna barter in a military by trading for corn?
https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateAnarchism/comments/ny5q74/where_do_tanks_come_from/ has been debated to death so check out this link's comments for far more well-written explanations of how big industry like military happens, and of course defense.
I don't see how transportation and hospitals is going to be harder under anarchism. Tons of people aspire to be doctors including children who've no concept of monetary value; all those medical dramas weren't for naught.
The most popular replacement for capital markets is personal interest and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gift_economy . https://anarchistfaq.org/afaq/sectionI.html#seci413 ? Well, do you want to do your chores? Probably not. But still, somebody has to do them, so eventually you do. Especially in damnedentireanarchist country, where people know how to stand up and have historically done so to overthrow a government.
Education administration would be the same as any other organization under anarchism, but there is a good question here about curriculum. The short answer is that the educators would decide on their syllabus and of course their curriculum as well. Of course, broadening views would be better, so like other organizations under anarchisms, different schools can schedule councils that they send rotating delegates to. (Anarchism is the abolition of hierarchy, not necessarily organization.) In general, standards can also still exist under anarchism. For how that works out you can take a look at protocols in open source and other open standards.
They start buying votes with favors?
votes?
decision makers
(English) Wikipedia can be looked onto as an example. It's fairly anarchistically organized (except, of course, its military is the Wikimedia Foundation's legal department, which isn't applicable to an anarchist society. for what is applicable see first paragraph). In summary, enwiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Consensus is built through discussion logs that are summarized by someone people trust who hasn't participated in the discussion. That summarizer decides what arguments are most grounded in community norms and then which arguments are more popular to decide what the consensus is (or isn't. "No consensus" is an option. People are aware they can't just bash at a brick wall, too, so if there's an urgent-ish problem they know to eventually agree/concede on something.). You can also do reviews—a discussion where another independent summarizer uninvolved with both discussions will summarize whether the community thinks the initial summary was reasonable.
There is an extension in applying this to society: If anyone opposes (not just disagreeing while conceding) with that summary/decision, they may instead form a different association for the purpose of this task and execute their vision elsewhere.
Road repairs?
This is actually the most well-known example of socialism in action in a capitalist society, only surpassed (by miles) by libraries. Besides usual sewer socialism where the government focuses on public works, there's independent direct action like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portland_Anarchist_Road_Care where anarchists, fed up with broken roads, "illegally" fixed them themselves.
How is it decided that someone has too much
Property doesn't exist.
Assuming the question means "What do we do to those who don't want to follow anarchism?": https://anarchistfaq.org/afaq/sectionI.html#seci57 . TL;DR: No "taxes" but no communal services for you either. Crime would be dealt with as crime. People who work against a social structure kinda get ostracized no matter if anarchism or capitalism, and in anarchism where the social circles are the government (as far as provision of services is concerned), ostracism is far more severe.
An interesting case study is DAANES, whose "democratic confederalism" adopted many ideas from libertarian socialism—the most mainstream school of anarchism, and the one I'm talking about—and whose participants sort of conceded to see how it works out. Social and educative forces are far more compelling than you might imagine.
It’s being against unethical hierarchies. So not what you said, like, at all.
And how is that supposed to happen? A kumbeya moment where all the billionaires hold hands with everyone else and divest away all the shit they have?
We kill them and take their money. Ezpz
So... We just like waiting for the exact right moment?
instance name checks out 🔥
Yeah, that's never going to go well.
so technical question are they just maxxing their exemptions on their W4 or are they skipping their required estimated payments? Weisbach is correct, they could be punished, but like, unless the government decides to make an example it's going to just be a fee. that's how the government punishes "tax cheats", unless they are high profile, egregious (high dollar value, like hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars in taxes owed), intransigent, and encouraging others to also cheat (see wesley snipes)
obligatory boilerplate this is neither tax nor legal advice you may not rely upon this for planning or blah blah i think i'm supposed to mention circular 230 it's been a while
I would be worried about not paying anything and making it obvious. They collected everyone's info, built up databases, and now have a secret police force that has a budget more than the Ukrainian military. If you pay very little they will say your smart and maybe make you president, if you refuse entirely they will say your anti-American
Palantir has entered the chat, scraped it for data, and will send ICE to murder these people under NSPM-7.
It was the proto-MAGA, Tea Party "patriots" that lauded whackjobs Ed & Elaine Brown for not paying their taxes.
Just deserts for Trump
During the standoff, a number of supporters were camped outside his home and were encouraged to record any attempt to take Brown from his house. This policy of opening the door to supporters led to the successful arrest of the couple by United States Deputy Marshals who disguised themselves as supporters.
I'm pretty sure this is a typo, but something about "just deserts for Trump" feels more appropriate.
(fwiw note that this was a case of Sovereign Citizen tax protesting, not tax striking/resistance. i couldn't find info on Tea Party supporting this though the movement is tangentially related to SovCit)
I was there. It was tea partiers and libertarians
Why would I? No taxation with out representation and I am not being represented in current affairs
Make sure to post the followup story a few years down the road when all of these people are up in arms over their wages being garnished to make the interest payments on their tax bills for the rest of their lives.
There is a group thats been organizing this type of resistance for a while, I learned: https://nwtrcc.org/
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