"Why don't kids want to be scientists or engineers or blah blah"

Because this isn't the 20th century anymore

Scientists, teachers, librarians, etc. make dirt wages despite lots of education

Tradespeople and factory workers can make a livable wage but they have to work so long to retire now destroying your body is guaranteed

Engineers seem like a bunch of sociopathic antisocial nerds, and actually oftentimes are. Elon Musk, Peter Thiel, and your classmate that's really into right wing content and thinks they're smarter than everybody else are negative motivation

Lawyers, bankers, accountants, bizness peepol, look miserable all the time and the jobs/coworkers are known to be toxic af

Doctors pay 300k in tuition and get hazed in residency for years for no good reason other than to be exploited for cheap labour at the cost of their patients having to be taken care of by sleep deprived and overworked doctors

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[–] 48 points 4 months ago (1 child)

Scientists and engineers are only useful in a society that's building for the future.

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  • [–] [S] 18 points 4 months ago*

    USA until recent years was the best or second best destination for scientists and research but they were still making bad wages then

    I know the quality and standards of life is a joke compared to the wealth but in terms of actual institutions and infrastructure support it's the best or second best in most industries due to how much capital there is here

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  • [–] 31 points 4 months ago

    I lightly begrudge some of these kids who quite literally play games and poke mess at others and live a millionaires life. I have a hard job. I have boomer thoughts every now and then and complain about how said kids couldn't hack it at my job. And then I remember that worth isn't tied to a job, and then I think fuck it. Go get that money however you can I guess. Nothing matters anymore anyway. I know where I'll be in fifteen years; either dead or standing in shit, plumbing.

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  • [–] 23 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Scientists, engineers, teachers, librarians, etc all give something to society that is permanent.

    With the exception of activists, influencers take from society.

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  • [–] [S] 13 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Nobody wants to contribute to society and help sustain life when society doesn't contribute back to you and sustain your life

    It's smart to not want to be a selfless martyr if you're not religious

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Kids have always wanted cool jobs and not uncool jobs. Before they wanted to be rock stars, movie stars or models. Kids who did wanna be scientists or whatever tended to have a very fantastical idea what those jobs are like, a lot wanna be vets until certain realities of that gig set in, same with teachers cause its one of the people you see doing their job everyday. The ones who arent nerds want glamorous media jobs. Kids have no idea what the reality of working most jobs is like, asking them what they wanna do isnt a useful way to measure anything aside from the ignorance that comes with being a kid, which I think has remained steady.

    I wanted to be a caveman as a kid and when I found out thar wasn't a profession I went with Inventor cause I figured id be basically Robin Williams in Flubber

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    It isn't because kids are smart or thinking things out, its because the tech industry platforms streamers, youtubers, and influencers, making them famous, so that now they're the culturally hegemonic "figures to emulate". This is entirely the fault of techbros.

    This isn't a positive development.

    Because this isn't the 20th century anymore

    We need tradespeople, scientists, mathematicians, doctors, nurses, engineers more than ever. These professions in some form are as old as recorded history.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    Kids weren't exactly lining up to try and be the next Michael Jackson or Taylor Swift in the past when other career paths were still viable

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    We shouldn't impute too much life-wisdom on kids with respect to wages and quality of life. They generally want to grow up to be whatever society looks up to and considers prestigious.

    In the past actors, musicians, and sportsball stars, were held up right alongside useful professions (or their prestigious equivalents) like teachers, doctors, astronauts, rocket scientists, bridge-builders, etc.

    Its a late-stage capitalist development specific to liberal countries that no longer values the useful professions, and even looks down on them. This isn't the case in many other countries like the PRC:

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    I think there's a qualitative distinction in how much of a casino the influencer role is. Like who can hope to be Mr. Beast? Literally anyone. Where's any moment in any of his videos that has kids thinking "that couldn't be me?" For Michael Jackson, that could be any 5 seconds of him dancing and for Taylor Swift, I guess "I knew you were . . ."

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago

    nah wanting to be an "influencer" is just the modern wanting to be a rockstar or actor

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    It's not particularly smart due to the low chance of success... But it sure as hell makes sense. They're inheriting a world where none of the other options are particularly appealing.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    It makes sense. Would you rather work a job where you still make no money, or do something where you make no money but have a 0.00000001% chance of getting huge?

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