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The website has been knocking it out of the park for popular decisions lately /s

We all know this is happening with Reddit gold, however I thought it would be relevant to point out that there has been fallout amongst Reddit Premium subscribers.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago (3 children)

what I take from this, though, is that even with the anger against Reddit, there’s no talk of leaving in the comments on that post!

you hate the site and all of their changes so much and it’s only been getting worse… why do you stay? even the content is already worse, and even worse on the subs that have the new Reddit tipping system… why stay?

#reddit #lemmy #fediverse #kbin

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

the new Reddit tipping system

I haven't heard about this tipping system. ELI5?

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

https://www.reddit.com/community-points/

Edit: holy fuck no one told me it was a blockchain cryptoshit??? That's even funnier 💀

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Put anything to a vote
Run weighted polls to make big decisions in your community, like getting input on rules changes or deciding how to distribute Points.

Unlike regular polls, these polls give a larger voice to people who have contributed more to the community. The more Community Points someone has earned, the more weight their vote carries.

This will end well...

EDIT

What they're really looking for are a bunch of whales to drive engagement.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Call me a cynic but I suspect the biggest 'contributor' to r/product will end up being product's marketing department account, likewise with r/country and party-political apparatchiks. The move is elegant in a way: Reddit Inc can ruin true democratic operation of subs by turning subscribers into shareholders (which wards off repeats of mod activism) and simultaneously provide further cover to astroturfers (lots of points = Time and Effort™ = good faith actor).

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Oh, absolutely this is the case. Reddit could even run bot accounts to gain a lion's share of points for any particular sub they want to control, thereby stifling any sort of protest or activism authorized by sub vote.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I see you edited your post. That'll be 2 CrYpToBuCkS!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I will give you 2 shiba inu coins (worth $0.00001574).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Aw shit, look out Elon, here I come!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Ironically you'd need something like a cryptocurrency if you wanted to implement something like that for the Fediverse.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

good thing we don't want it

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Generally speaking the solution to these sorts of things when one doesn't want it is "then don't use it." That's especially true in a federated, decentralized system like this.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

yeah but this is the specific kind of engagement bait and whatnot that can stay on the corpo social nets

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why? I mean, technologically, why couldn't a more standard payment platform work, and then just pass around those payments among instances? PayPal is not crypto, but you can use it almost anywhere online.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

PayPal is not decentralized. None of the "more standard" payment platforms are. If you want to have some kind of cross-instance limitation on things like awards and not have instances be able to just spew them out willy-nilly if they want to then you're going to need some kind of decentralized ledger to track them authoritatively, and that's basically cryptocurrency in a nutshell. This is what cryptocurrency is for.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah it's been enabled on the crypto reddits for a while... as a result the subs overwhelmingly changed to "vaguely interesting and/or attention-grabbing but ultimately useless with a race to see who's first" posts, signal-to-noise ratio got way worse.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Who could've called it? Never saw that coming

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Hahahah jesus christ

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

It’s beyond parody at this stage.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

the snoos having hair is the real crime against humanity here. who the fuck asked for snoo to be memoji's? what is going on over there?!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

The article comments are linked to Reddit, if you click on "Replies" it routes you to the topic on Reddit where there are posts about leaving the platform.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I've got enough reason to believe that any mentions of Lemmy, are met with shadow banning.

And like the master of gaslighting that it is, it doesn't happen all the time, but often enough to deliver a chilling effect.

They want the dissenters to leave without a word.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wow, Reddit is not joking around when it comes speedrunning enshittification. I think it’s going to be very tough for other platforms to match these moves.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

The real business model here is to win the race to the bottom, and stream re-enactments on Twitch.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Glad I left when the protest started.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

It's the equivalent of a crack dealer at this point.

At first they got people hooked with cheap drugs that worked and got you an easy high.

But now you need more and the dealer knows you're desperate ... so they increase the price, give you a cheaper product and string you along because they know no matter what they do, you'll keep coming back for more.

They'll start whoring you around and selling your body like trash and you won't like it but if it means getting your next fix, you'll do anything.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My subscription was going to renew on July 3rd, but I let it expire. That seems like a wiser decision every day.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just out of curiosity, what is it that you were subscribing for? I used r*ddit for 13 years and never saw the need to pay for premium or gold or whatever. What features did it offer?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I felt like the subscription was reasonable for the amount of time I spent on Reddit.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I can see why they’d want to streamline the award system, since it is a bit messy, but they’re getting rid of something that made Reddit unique and that people seemed to like, for…what, exactly?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Ad Revenue. Someone paying for Reddit Premium gets an ad free experience which is fine but someone who gets gifted Gold also gets an ad free experience. They need as many people as possible to see ads so free loaders have to go...which means so do the coins.

I fully expect that within a year Reddit will start doing what many streaming services are where the lowest tier is free but ad supported, then there's a paid "limited ad" tier, followed by an even more expensive "No Ads" tier. The current Reddit Premium program will transition to that mid-tier category and they'll add "Reddit Ultimate" or some BS as the new Ad Free option. It'll probably cost $10 a month too.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Reddit still has users? I thought I was all chatbots?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't understand. Don't they like money? I like money!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And yet somehow they say that’s their reasoning - that they’re trying to become profitable.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So someone did some math and figured out that the award system was unprofitable somehow?

Don't know how that works out.

Or maybe they are willing to take the hit because they are embarrassed when posts and comments criticizing Reddit get a ton of awards? (Plenty of people already have a large cache of Reddit coins, so handing out an award is not necessarily paying anything to Reddit at the time of award.)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That's a good point, lol.
No, according to The Verge's article, they say that users don't like the current system:

“First, many don’t appreciate the clutter from awards (50+ awards right now, but who’s counting?) and all the steps that go into actually awarding content. Second, redditors want awarded content to be more valuable to the recipient.”

And there are hints as to what may be slated to replace it:

While Reddit hasn’t specified what the new system might look like, Android Authority may have dug up some clues. Based on code in the Reddit’s Android app, Reddit appears to be working on a “contributor program” that would let users cash out gold or karma (basically, points you get for posts, comments, or giving awards) they receive into real money. Reddit didn’t respond to a request for comment sent Wednesday about Android Authority’s article.

OTOH, this post in r/ModCoord posits a different explanation:

By getting rid of awards, Reddit is unloading a business liability. Because all those existing coins could buy ad-free Reddit.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Not that I even use Reddit anymore, but when I did I used Apollo and I had awards disabled. Honestly they don’t bring anything to the discussion and certainly not since they introduced a hundred new awards that were free.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Wow... Did someone tell Reddit that April Fools was in July or something? It's this close to being a bad joke.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Not a surprise Redditors hate losing coins.

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