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[–] 114 points 2 years ago* (56 children)

Guess what!
There's a whole generation of old men about to pass away, most of them tradesmen. And in my experience, crotchety and unwilling to teach.

Because this generation generally has less interest in trades, likely from being viewed down upon (see above), there is going to be a severe shortage of people working in the trades.

This will possibly mean two things:
Companies are going to scramble desperately to get new apprentices, so -good news- more jobs. But, expect a startling lack of quality in the years to come.

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  • [–] 58 points 2 years ago (30 children)

    There's a startling lack of quality a lot of the time now, it's gonna get hella bad when the trades-boomers go.

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  • [–] 48 points 2 years ago* (20 children)

    True enough. I can only hear "NoBoDy WaNtS tO WoRk AnYmOrE" so many times before i figure who's to blame for that

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  • [–] 36 points 2 years ago (19 children)

    Exactly. Nobody wants to work for unliveable wages. It's a wage shortage, not a labour shortage.

    Or, after being tired of being lowballed for work and offers to be paid in exposure, "fuck you, pay me."

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  • [–] 32 points 2 years ago* (12 children)

    A local (and very well off) welding company wanted me to pay for my own courses and equipment when I applied. It would have been hundreds of dollars out of my pocket, for MAYBE a chance to be taken on as an apprentice, if I withstand being the shop bítch for long enough.
    PART TIME.

    yea,

    FUCK OFF

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  • [–] 33 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (8 children)

    I'm 42 now and I left the trades a year ago after getting the life beat out of me for most of my life. It's not that no one wants to do the work, it's that no one wants to pay for a good tradesperson. When I left my last job they were only hiring techs for $16-$20 and hour. That was with HVAC certification. It's laughable.

    Matter of fact, the company I worked for withheld raises from one of their teams for 3 years and they pikachu faced when they all left. Literally the best tech team in the company too. (This team had over 100 years of total experience in the trades. Plumbing, electrical, you name it. They've done it.)

    Not to mention like 99% of the companies require you to own your own tools and will not replace/repair anything that breaks while working for their company. Got a nice new impact and it broke doing a job? That $200 is coming out of your pocket. Always.

    Fucking, also, all the jobs that require being on call. Got a family? Fuck you, go fix shit at 2am and then make sure you show up to work on time at 6am with no sleep. Work 10-12 hours, go home, get called the next night too.

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    [–] 100 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    I don't understand why people pick on tradesman as if they're somehow lesser than them.

    There's lots of skill and knowledge that goes along with doing any trade.

    Also, while it's back breaking work, and you often work overtime, construction workers make bank.

    This is an aged and outdated take that devalues the contributions of a very important job.

    All jobs are skilled labor.

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  • [–] 34 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Everyone shits on blue collar workers until their furnace stops working, their pipes leak, their car breaks, their roof leaks, their foundation cracks, the wiring in their house gives out... Shit, it's almost like their work is integral to their jaded-ass day to day lives

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago

    I don't. I talk them up to my kids who are under 5 and considering both blue collar and science/academic jobs. I don't really care what they do anyway, as long as they're happy and making the world a better place. Manual labor helps me clear my head a lot.

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    [–] 56 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

    They get to create useful things unlike a lot of white collar jobs

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  • [–] 54 points 2 years ago (18 children)

    The irony is now that the situation is totally inverted.

    My STEM degree has got me making a barely livable wage while the GEDs who went straight into a trade are making twice what I make.

    And the cruel reality is there is not a good way to determine which way this market will go unless you're one of the 0.01%. And if you were it would make this a mute point.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (13 children)

    What STEM path is barely getting by? Programmers and engineers are highly sought after employees rn.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    I'm a Medical Laboratory Scientist (bachelor's degree, nationally certified, and current on my certificate maintenance continuing education requirements) and it has taken 16 years for me to crack 100k/year. I started at 38k. There are not enough MLS out there to staff all the labs in the US. Labs are scrambling to figure out how to continue providing patient care in the face of crippling staffing shortages and yet pay is still shit.

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    [–] 51 points 2 years ago (11 children)

    Construction workers can make bank, mom!

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    [–] 48 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I mean.. At least as a construction worker my retirement plan is three-fold. The trick is to survive long enough and well enough to enjoy retirement.

    The three are 401k, annuity, and the unheard of pension.

    Granted, I'm also on my fourth pulled back muscle for the year. I really need to stretch more.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago*

    Don't let your job be your only workout. Stretch daily, and then do low weight/high rep strength training in the gym a few times a week, to be stronger than you need to be for your job. You'll stop pulling muscles so easily. I'm 43 and I don't have even half the pain that most of the 30 year olds around here complain about.

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    [–] 46 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    The construction dude who dropped out of high-school at 16, never went to college, and makes $90,000 a year at age 25 is doing just fine lol

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  • [–] 39 points 2 years ago

    Like the guy with steady pay, job security, benefits, and a strong union?

    Shit I better stop studying

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  • [–] 39 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Are people actually still talking trash about tradesmen? Come on, what year is it supposed to be?

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    [–] 38 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    my parents used that one: "do you want to dig ditches when you get older ?" it took a lot of work for me to lose that attitude towards manual and mechanized labor.

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  • [–] 33 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Labour adheres to supply/demand. Now that boomers are retiring who primarily made up most of the blue-collar workers, there's a derth of them and its only going to get worse.

    So homeboy with the hardhat is gonna be making 6 figures easily out of 2 year apprenticeship while your fancy university degrees will be competing with all the other Asian students raised with this mentality.

    We were all under the assumption automation was going to replace manual labour first, turns out its actually the code monkeys and adminstrators who are biting the bullet.

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    [–] 31 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    As an ex-programmer that is now in the trades I can say my mental health is way better and my back hurts less these days since I'm not sitting in an expensive "ergonomic" chair all day. There are a lot of high paying trades that are far from back breaking work. Personally I got in to finish carpentry building science labs specifically.

    There's also the added benefit that I like playing with computers again, when it was my day job I wanted nothing to do with them after work.

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    [–] 24 points 2 years ago*

    phone marketing would be more apt job to scare kids with. It brings nothing of value to society and its awful for the worker and those being bothered. Or just skip pointing fingers at any job and just tell the kid they will end up being exploited if they are left with no options.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago

    The union employee who probably makes more than you and dad combined? Sure, I don't want to end up like him or the garbage man that I know for a fact makes more than both of you combined. Great job employment shaming mom.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    While construction workers should absolutely be respected, you definitely don't want to end up as a construction worker in India. Construction workers earn like 300-400 rupees (3.61 - 4.81 USD) per day of work in the part of India that I live in (which is a very industrious part btw). These people overwhelmingly belong to the lower castes. They don't have their own home, and live on site in temporarily constructed structures made from metal panels.

    These people suffered the most when the COVID lockdowns happened. Their places of employment fired them. They thus lost their temporary home. These people, along with their kids tried to move back to the villages that they migrated to the cities from. However, for quite some time, they weren't allowed to return back. Thus, thousands of people were immediately made homeless, having to sleep on the streets. Of course, they were harassed by the police a lot. Finally, when special trains were organized for them, there were instances where the police sprayed water into these trains on these people "to clean them". Watch this documentary by Vice news if you want to learn more about them.

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    [–] 17 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I think the most important thing when it comes to a job, over pay, is mental health. If you're doing a job you hate that pays you higher than doing a job you love, is it really worth spending so much of your limited time on this Earth doing something you hate? Unless what you want to do with your life will literally risk you and your family's starvation, just do it. It's not worth the stress. I know, I'm stuck in a horrible job trying desperately to get out.

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    [–] 16 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    They do a pretty important job, I just wish every single one of them didn't seem to be a die-hard Trumper for some fucking reason.

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    [–] 14 points 2 years ago

    Tell me your mom is totally insulated from reality and a huge cunt without saying it explicitly.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago

    My boss once told me he would never ask me to do something that he wouldn't do himself. This 'mom' is espousing the opposite idea, that certain jobs are beneath her. I'm pretty sure these people have no clue how to do anything other than be some low level manager or bureaucrat and will vanish from existence like the morning mist, come the apocalypse.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

    All judgement until you hear a dripping in the night and have to pay that person a quarter of your "smart peoples" wages

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