The Deprogram

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[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (10 children)

What are the chances that at least now Hungary won't be Mossad central in Europe anymore? One of the absolute worst aspects of the Orban government was how incredibly deep its ties to the Zionist entity were.

It remains to be seen how impactful this election will be on EU Ukraine policy. My guess is not very. The EU was already ignoring Hungary in most decisions it was making.

Hungary saying ok to more weapons and money for Ukraine might not change much, because Europe has very little left to give in terms of weapons anyway, and there were more countries than just Hungary opposed to some of the most stupid schemes for destroying Europe's financial credibility just to give Narcoführer Zelensky a few more tens of billions.

And either way, none of that would change the trajectory in Ukraine, just add a few more months to the conflict.

A new government is also not going to change the objective fact that Hungary has energy needs that only Russia can fulfill. And with the whole Hormuz crisis it's actually more likely that Europe will have to go back to Russia to ask for energy.

We'll see how things play out but i don't expect too much to change. It just unfortunately emboldens Brussels now that they see yet again that they can successfully influence elections to stop/get rid of governments insufficiently subservient to them.

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[–] demeritum@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Hungary might adopt the euro, and Slovakia will be targeted next. Libs were already cheering "one more to go". Anyway as you said it only will lead to more EU "overstepping".

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[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

Slovakia will be targeted next

I think this is certain. They are making it clear that no dissent will be tolerated in the EU. All governments have to be aligned with the EU agenda, and those that refuse will be regime changed. Anti-EU/anti-NATO or even just EU/NATO-skeptical candidates will not be allowed to win. A former top EU bureaucrat admitted openly what i'm sure is the consensus among all of the Brussels elites: that they are prepared to rig even German elections the way they did in Romania and Moldova if it should look like the "wrong" party is winning.

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[–] demeritum@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 5 months ago

It will be a dark period for us euro anti-imperialists. Hopefully that state crumbles in the next decade.

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[–] KrupskayaPraxis@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 5 months ago (1 child)

Anti-EU governments need to focus on leaving the EU before their regime can be changed.

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[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 5 months ago

Yep. Unfortunately most of the population just isn't there yet. The EU cult is still going strong.

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[–] huf@hexbear.net 12 points 5 months ago

i think the two major jewish political organizations in hungary are the zionist liberal mazsihisz and orban's pet ultra-zionist chabad-lubavitch jews. i see no chance this dude would break with either.

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[–] Maeve@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Wondering if/when lib working class becomes disillusioned?

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[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 5 months ago (2 children)

At this point i don't know. Unfortunately a large portion of the population of most EU countries is still deeply entrenched in liberal European chauvinism and EU worship. The liberal delusions are still going strong. It might take a collapse-level crisis to shake them out of it. The problem is that it doesn't take a majority of the population to buy into the EU ideology for Brussels to maintain power. They just need a large enough minority so that they can rig and manipulate elections through media, NGOs, lawfare and EU funds.

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[–] Rylo@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 5 months ago

I have bad news for you regarding how we Europeans historically have handled collapse-level crises

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[–] Maeve@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 5 months ago

Well sometimes we learn the hard way. If not, it's just stubborn refusal to learn.

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[–] Coco0330@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 5 months ago*

But more “centrist” also. (Still nationalist, populist and conservative btw also the leader used to be apart of Fidesz).

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[–] LeninZedong@lemmygrad.ml 35 points 5 months ago

"But they are friendly towards the EU" said the western liberal.

[–] TheFermentalist@reddthat.com 31 points 5 months ago (1 child)

Excuse me! The replacement is slightly less right wing!

[–] LeninZedong@lemmygrad.ml 36 points 5 months ago

This is basically how capitalist electoral systems work when the slightly left opposition tries to advertise themselves.

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[–] SlayGuevara@lemmygrad.ml 30 points 5 months ago (10 children)

Yeah but have you heard he is not Orban so libs are celebrating as if Jesus himself has returned

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[–] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 23 points 5 months ago (9 children)

Meanwhile on Mastodon

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[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Do they not realize how contradictory their narratives are? If Orban was so authoritarian and was "destroying democracy" for over a decade, how come he was able to be voted out so easily? Was he just that incompetent that he was unable to properly rig the system during all those years in power? If "authoritarian" leaders rely on "populism" to maintain power and win elections, then are they really undemocratic? Is that not what every democratic leader should do? Have a political agenda that is popular and allows them to be re-elected? What makes Orban so different from other supposedly "democratic" European leaders with approval ratings of 30% or lower? Liberals' whole ideological framework is incoherent. No material analysis whatsoever about why he actually lost and how this loss fits into the theory that he was supposedly this uniquely dangerous authoritarian, rather than just another right wing bourgeois politician?

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[–] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 27 points 5 months ago (1 child)

You don't seem to get it. Orban is like Voldemort, Magyar is like Harry Potter and voting is like destroying the horcruxes. Hope that helps. 👍

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[–] Emmi@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 5 months ago

just like Harry Potter, nothing changed in the end. The liberal status quo

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[–] huf@hexbear.net 11 points 5 months ago (1 child)

after his first 2/3 win, orban did rig the system in the winner's favor (which worked out nicely for him until it didnt).

but yeah, he was able to stay in power this long partly because of election rule shenanigans, partly because he took immediately control of as much of the media as he could, but in large part because none of the so-called opposition parties seemed to try anything.

they didnt try to understand why and how orban won, they just scolded voters for voting wrong
they didnt try to go outside the cities and talk to rural voters and win them over
they didnt try doing something between elections, just came out every 4 years like a bear after winter and then went back to sleep

no wonder that the actual force to defeat fidesz came from disaffected ex-fidesz people. the older opposition parties are still useless and dazed.

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[–] Maeve@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 5 months ago

Shoot! KKKopmala got it in the bag. 😣

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[–] amemorablename@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I could easily imagine Trump getting voted out and replaced by somebody like Tucker Carlson, and then seeing an unironic post like this about it. Liberals have two main forms, I find: painfully politically illiterate or pretending to be politically illiterate while normalizing awful systems.

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[–] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 5 months ago (1 child)

Isn't it so that Trump doesn't have anymore terms left?

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[–] amemorablename@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 5 months ago

I think you're right, yeah: https://www.thoughtco.com/why-presidents-only-serve-two-terms-3367979 Whether he'd actually respect that is a whole other question, but that's if he even lives long enough to get to the end of his current term, at his age.

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[–] Saymaz@lemmygrad.ml [S] 2 points 5 months ago

Ask them what they think about Magyar now after him inviting Netanyahu to Hungary to strengthen ties with Israel.

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[–] demeritum@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 5 months ago

Well he is more pro-EU and pro-Ukraine so all libs are cheering and hollering.

[–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 18 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

And get this, ex-Fidesz, but now Tisza, a more 'moderate' offshoot of Fidesz.

Now what does one think of these 'con-turned libs'?

Well, one can easily as have seen by precedent there are 'lib-turned cons'

It was formed in 1988 under the name of Alliance of Young Democrats (Fiatal Demokraták Szövetsége, with the acronym FIDESZ) as a centre-left liberal activist movement that opposed the ruling Marxist–Leninist government. It was registered as a political party in 1990, with Orbán as its leader.

European Capital's political power cloaks itself in whatever robe it sees fit.

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[–] huf@hexbear.net 6 points 5 months ago (1 child)

i think orban went right not for any wider european reason or any capital-related reason. he just saw that the so-called "left" was saturated, and the right was open, so he moved to the emptier pasture. pure opportunism.

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[–] nee 3 points 5 months ago

Just like Trump did…

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[–] flamingleg@lemmy.ml 13 points 5 months ago

i think the new guy also supports the banderite junta of ukraine unlike the old guy. Reason enough for shitlibs around the world to celebrate 🫠

[–] ArcticFoxSmiles@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 5 months ago

I gave this guy a few months, maybe a years before the Liberals start complaining that the policies he is promoting are largely the same with a pro-EU tilt.

Here is a quote from Péter Magyar himself: “The employees of the Samsung factory in Göd all live in workers’ hostels in Budapest. They were brought here without food or money. When hundreds of workers were brought here from the Philippines and placed in workers’ hostels in Budapest without any money or supplies, then the next day, many ducks disappeared in the Budapest Zoo. And goldfish.” https://archive.is/7mTmh

[–] Bronstein_Tardigrade@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

JD Vance replaces Donald Trump, and the liberals cheer.

[–] into_highest_invite@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 5 months ago

unironically what they're trying to make happen