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Hungary just replaced a conservative, right-wing PM who was sympathetic to Israel with a conservative, right-wing PM who is sympathetic to Israel. (thelemmy.club)
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[–] 25 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Do they not realize how contradictory their narratives are? If Orban was so authoritarian and was "destroying democracy" for over a decade, how come he was able to be voted out so easily? Was he just that incompetent that he was unable to properly rig the system during all those years in power? If "authoritarian" leaders rely on "populism" to maintain power and win elections, then are they really undemocratic? Is that not what every democratic leader should do? Have a political agenda that is popular and allows them to be re-elected? What makes Orban so different from other supposedly "democratic" European leaders with approval ratings of 30% or lower? Liberals' whole ideological framework is incoherent. No material analysis whatsoever about why he actually lost and how this loss fits into the theory that he was supposedly this uniquely dangerous authoritarian, rather than just another right wing bourgeois politician?

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    after his first 2/3 win, orban did rig the system in the winner's favor (which worked out nicely for him until it didnt).

    but yeah, he was able to stay in power this long partly because of election rule shenanigans, partly because he took immediately control of as much of the media as he could, but in large part because none of the so-called opposition parties seemed to try anything.

    • they didnt try to understand why and how orban won, they just scolded voters for voting wrong
    • they didnt try to go outside the cities and talk to rural voters and win them over
    • they didnt try doing something between elections, just came out every 4 years like a bear after winter and then went back to sleep

    no wonder that the actual force to defeat fidesz came from disaffected ex-fidesz people. the older opposition parties are still useless and dazed.

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