cross-posted from: https://news.abolish.capital/post/41590

Israeli protesters during an judicial overall protests outside the Knesset in Jerusalem, February 20, 2023. (Photo: Ilia Yefimovich/dpa via ZUMA Press/APA Images)The entire Israeli political spectrum is united in blasting Netanyahu for not continuing to attack Iran, and Israeli society agrees. The reason, to put it simply, is that Israelis are war junkies.


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[+] 112 points 5 months ago (18 children)
  • [–] 107 points 5 months ago (14 children)

    There are a handful of decent humans there who oppose it all. They have protested and been beaten up.

    Mostly young people. Not very many of them. But I think that's pretty courageous considering they are literally surrounded by wolves.

    What must it be like to live in a country surrounded by insane fascist. ?

    Oh... Nevermind I guess I know.

    Well.

    But at least most of my fellow U.S citizens aren't in support of it.

    I think Israel must feel like literally everyone is maga except like 2 people you know.

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  • [–] 21 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child)

    It's a good time to recommend the Discworld book Jingo, which remains just as relevant as when it was written.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. *No one* ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    And another quote from Feet of Clay:

    Just because someone's a member of an ethnic minority doesn't mean they're not a nasty small-minded little jerk

    (And then there's The Fifth Elephant that's so painfully spot-on that I'd rather not spoil a single moment of it. Terry Pratchett was amazing and I wish he was still around to share his humor and wisdom. We could use a few laughs right now.)

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  • [–] 40 points 5 months ago

    Even the Nazis weren't "a whole nation of genocidal maniacs." In both Israel and Nazi Germany there is/was opposition to the atrocities committed by their leadership, just not enough. In Israel in particular "do you support comically evil thing" polls tend to get 60-80% support, except the Iran war which at its outset had 93% support. That's not a whole nation of genocidal maniacs; that's a nation of mostly genocidal maniacs.

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    [–] 65 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    The poll they cite only polled 500 people and the "Israel Democracy Institute" who conducted the poll was founded by a Trump mega donor.

    Mondoweiss loses credibility by releasing this article without pointing out the obvious polling issue.

    They also failed to shout out the organizations that have been protesting daily against the war! Standing Together עומדים ביחד has been organizing protests since day one of the operation.

    Mondoweiss is showing itself as an unfair propagandist publication who is more interested in clicks and spicy headlines than actually giving a real picture.

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    The poll they cite only polled 500 people

    Which is more than enough. Statistically, you only need 30 or so samples to get a normal distribution, at which case the error varies with 1/sqrt(n) for sample size n. This means that if a sample size of 8000 would only have 4 times less error (so from 4% to 2%) compared to one of 500. The mathematics of the thing is ironclad: Provided the sample is representative (i.e. doesn't unfairly over or underrepresent a particular group) and exceeds the mid-double digits*, any issues with sample size would manifest as a large calculated error.

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  • [–] 47 points 5 months ago (12 children)

    The entire Israeli political spectrum is united in blasting Netanyahu for not continuing to attack Iran, and Israeli society agrees. The reason, to put it simply, is that Israelis are war junkies.

    Misinformation. There's literally Israeli Kinesset members that oppose the genocide in Gaza and the war with Iran. They are the minority, but they do exist.

    Not to mention the Israeli citizens refusing to enlist in the military, who are sent to prison.

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  • [–] 41 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Israel is a sick and diseased society.

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  • [–] 18 points 5 months ago

    Israel really blows my mind. Pro or Anti Netanyanhu supporters still want to kill Arabs. Seeing interviews and social media pics of just regular Israelis casually wishing death is still so jarring to me.

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    [–] [S] 34 points 5 months ago

    This got to be the level of head shaking that can break a neck and dislocate shoulders.

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  • [–] 34 points 5 months ago (10 children)

    Inhuman savages.

    Then they'll claim people hate them "because we're Jews".

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    [–] 33 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I'm all for shitting on these goons, but that pic is from 3 years ago and unrelated.

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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago

    The picture in the original article does indeed mention that:

    Israeli protesters during an judicial overall protests outside the Knesset in Jerusalem, February 20, 2023. (Photo: Ilia Yefimovich/dpa via ZUMA Press/APA Images)

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  • [–] 25 points 5 months ago

    Wasn't it just a few weeks ago that these same people were praising their soldiers for raping captured civilians?

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  • [–] 21 points 5 months ago

    Bloodthirsty pigs.

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  • [–] 21 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Israeli (derogatory)

    Yes, Most Jews are in fact Zionists - by Tariq Acknickulous - https://tariqacknickulous.substack.com/p/yes-most-jews-are-in-fact-zionists

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    [–] 20 points 5 months ago (16 children)

    I understand the hate in the comments, but I think the important part is something else, How can the world deal with a country that only wants to commit genocide with all its neighbors? and not the government, the population in general. What can we do with this? How do we get out of the cycle of violence with people like this?

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago

    It's pretty easy actually.

    Israel's economy is dependent on US funding. If the US stopped sending them money, they couldn't commit genocide and also the economy would crash..leading to mass migration out of the country.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago

    Echoing basically all other replies: Israel doesn't actually have the juice to get their lebensraum alone; they need all sorts of American and European support for it. Cutting off their support would immediately destroy their position as regional near-hegemon and force them to compromise.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago

    Countries should keep imposing economical sanctions on Israel till they start dismentling settlements and lift the blockade on Gaza in exchange Hamas has to disarm and organize elections. If hamas refuse countries should be arming the PA instead of israel and allow them to take down Hamas . If israel refuse countries should keep sanctionning israel and allow PA to get rid of settlers and defend itself against Israel

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    [–] 16 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    To be "fair" to hard-line settler types, the mood of the world is swinging so strongly against them and their regime, this might be the very last time they have a chance to get what they want.

    Hopefully, they'll never find a world again that is as complacent as it is now.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago*

    The settlements are built by the state of israel and armed and protected by the idf. Netenyahu approve those settlements yet countries still sells weapons to them and has no economical sanctions on the state itself. Hypocrites been fake condemning settlers for decades with no action to back their claim. Iaraelis voted for Netenyahu for 6 goddamn time

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago

    All this makes sense… Instilled fear and paranoia for generations.. and now they collect the fruit of it.. people are afraid that Iran will nuclear bomb them (with a bomb that Iran doesn’t have) if they don’t final solution Iran

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago

    The bloodlust is real

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Some people need a meteor.

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    [–] 11 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    The entire country is sick to its core. Death to pissrael. All of it.

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    [–] 8 points 5 months ago (11 children)

    I guess what goes for the US population goes for Israel's, too: not all of them are infected.

    As nations though, they're both fascist.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago

    Can't say I'm surprised.

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