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[–] 178 points 4 months ago (21 children)

the breakthrough that makes EVs safer than ICE cars

Did Toyota write this? EVs already are much safer than ICEs, the headline reads like it's trying to gaslight people into thinking otherwise.

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  • [–] 27 points 4 months ago (10 children)

    Except their weight which leads to insane amounts of energy transfer and also none of the intrastructure, like guardrails, is built to handle that much weight so low down.

    The way to safer is to reduce the amount of cars.

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    [–] 115 points 4 months ago (15 children)

    Maybe a bit irrelevant but why is the article calling it “China’s battery“? I feel like if the researchers were from any other countries academy of science, say France, the title would have simply been something like “scientists discover new ways for fireproof battery”. Maybe it’d say French scientists or so, but not simply “France’s battery”?

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  • [–] 32 points 4 months ago (13 children)

    Because cool China is so totally innovative unlike the boring west! We gotta hype them up, no one else ever does cool stuff only China brand is cool.

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  • [–] 23 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    They have been trying to murder the US and EU auto industry and dumping biblical shittons of money into battery technology. the EU and the US aren't trying to compete.

    Its still an advancement for all mankind, even if my countries leadership wont let me have one.

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Classic fluff piece to make China look more innovative than they actually are. I wouldn‘t be surprised if we never heard of this tech or if they recycle the same article next year. Tech ‚journalism‘ about China is a mine field of false claims and exaggerations.

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Na+ batteries are really cool tech, and with a few more iterations of R&D they can potentially replace Li+ batteries, removing the need for rare earth elements that are toxic to people and the environment, dangerous to extract, and more often than not extracted by child slave labor (such as in Xinjiang and Congo).

    It doesn't matter how you feel about China, although framing Na+ as "China's battery" is problematic for other reasons.

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    [–] 65 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    This from the people that gave us fireworks... traditions disappear so fast...

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    [–] 29 points 4 months ago (13 children)

    The "they catch fire" argument is fucking bonkers anyway.

    If there's one thing petrol cars are famous for, it's being filled with flammable liquids that can and do leak everywhere and combust upon collision.

    You can ignore them. Same with all the disingenuous cunts who complain about wind turbines "spoiling the view" who ignore the coal and gas power stations that have littered the skyline for over a century.

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    [–] 26 points 4 months ago (11 children)

    Uh, EVs are safer than ICE cars

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    [–] 19 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (7 children)

    I thought sodium batteries had considerably less energy density than conventional? Is that not a problem anymore? If that hasn't been solved, I don’t see how this helps make EVs safer.

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  • [–] 18 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    I recall reading the same.

    Sodium batteries make loads of sense for house batteries like solar storage.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    They should be the default for solar installations and grid-level storage, but are too new.

    They can also replace lead-acid batteries for many applications.

    Lithium will still rule microelectronics and wearables, but all lower density stuff should switch to sodium.

    That being said, for cold environments like Scandinavia and the US Midwest & canada, sodium ion works better in both cold and heat swings than Lithium variants that it might be worth the tradeoff in capacity because in the long cold months, the reduced capacity and performance of lithium chemistries would completely close the gap anyways.

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    [–] 15 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    Am I the only one who has never heard the term “ICE” referring to Internal Combustion Engine vehicles? I hate how headlines deliberately make new acronyms or limit context to get people to click on the article.

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