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[–] 126 points 6 months ago (7 children)

Chrome's team argues that because only about 0.02% of page loads use XSLT, it's not worth the maintenance burden.

Surely given the volume of browser usage, 0.02% is still a very substantial amount of usage. Lazy fucks

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  • [–] 106 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    I'm not entirely sure what the "maintenance burden" even is on a tech that hasn't changed in decades.

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  • [–] 42 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

    From the article:

    Google says it's removing XSLT to address security vulnerabilities. The underlying library that processes XSLT in Chrome (libxslt) is an aging C/C++ codebase with known memory safety issues. Chrome's team argues that because only about 0.02% of page loads use XSLT, it's not worth the maintenance burden.

    It's debatable whether Google, with all its resources, really needs to do this, especially given that 0.02% of all page loads is still quite a lot. But there are certainly times when it's better to just delete seldom-used old code from your project to lower the maintenance burden and reduce the surface area for attacks.

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  • [–] 36 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Big tech has been straining the libxml2 dev who recently got annoyed with them. Instead of helping maintain the libraries they ship on billions of computers, Google is trying to reduce there use.

    https://socket.dev/blog/libxml2-maintainer-ends-embargoed-vulnerability-reports

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  • [–] 17 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    0.02% of page loads is honestly way more than I would've expected. The fact that they would look at that number and see an excuse to remove a feature like this is honestly a gigantic red flag for the way these browsers are being developed. Granted, it's not that surprising if you've been paying attention to the embrace-extend-extinguish march of web technologies towards a walled garden controlled by tech giants, but this is part of the writing on the wall, folks.

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  • [–] 51 points 6 months ago (8 children)

    Xslt has nothing to do with RSS being available or not.

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  • [–] [S] 26 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    It seems to have to do with how it looks formatting wise and not about availability or not, that is what is being meant.

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  • [–] 34 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    That's just for those few websites that use their RSS feed as their content source. If they want to keep doing that they can just get a JavaScript library that provides XSLT functionality. The feed itself is untouched.

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  • [–] 19 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    "Yay more JavaScript" said nobody

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  • [–] 29 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Wait, browsers still had RSS support? I thought that was deprecated a decade ago. I've been using dedicated apps for them

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  • [–] 21 points 6 months ago* (17 children)

    i browsed the web via RSS for a while. Maybe it's time to get back to that. at least for some food blogs or something. anyone got a good rss reader?

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I like miniflux. Lightweight, web based, selfhostable, assisted hosting and compatible with third party clients.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    +1 for Miniflux, super nice and it has a polished interface.

    You can also access it through third-party apps such as NewsFlash (for Linux) or NetNewsWire (for mac, you just need to enable "Google Feeds APIs" in Miniflux for that).

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children)

    I use FluentReader, and an extension that restores Firefox's old RSS functionality.

    Edit: The extension I use is called Livemarks

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    i currently use firefox. mind sharing that extention with us please?

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    [–] 21 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    There are libraries that can polyfill this with almost zero effort. List should not effect any active site that offers rss feeds.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    It's not zero effort at all. For XML(which RSS is) with xlst it is serving only 2 static files. The XML file with a reference to the xlst file, and the xlst file.

    The XML can be read without transformation by tools like RSS readers, but displayed with transformation into HTML for viewing in a browser with the xlst.

    You're saying it is easy to polyfill, but involving JavaScript at all completely breaks the (useful) paradigm

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  • [–] 20 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I remember using XSLT to make my site's RSS look good around 20 years ago. I thought it was so cool, though XSLT was awful to write.

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  • [–] 16 points 6 months ago

    It's sad to see how browser manufacturers have been treating RSS for a while. Back in the day your Firefox would show you that a page has an RSS feed. You were able to click on it, see what was in there in human readable, not cryptic-XML style format, and you were able to subscribe to it. Then you had a nice little bookmark showing you everything this page had posted recently. RSS is a great technology and it really really sucks how Big Tech has tried to kill it.

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  • [–] 16 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    YouTube broke my RSS feed for YouTube subscriptions by breaking how embedded videos works.

    Now when I try to click on videos in my RSS feed it just gets me "Error 153" every time.

    It's so frustrating!

    I'm currently using Feedbro on Firefox (the add-on hasn't been updated in 2 years) but if anyone has any recommendations that don't get that error I'm all ears!

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    [–] 12 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    Who TF is still using XSLT?

    Good riddance.

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    We use it at my library/archive to convert EADs (XML finding aids) into something we can present to a human.

    This change breaks something that's been working for us without issue for over a decade, and it's personally a PITA because I'm the only dev-adjacent person in the library and fixing this takes me away from other stuff. (I'm spread thin and we've been in a hiring freeze for 5 years. I love my coworkers but there's so much work stuff I have to deprioritoze in order to do the important stuff, it feels unfair when a big corporation decides to break something on me.)

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (2 children)

    You just need literally anything else other than the native browser to do it no?

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    I can't guarantee an online researcher/visitor has anything other than a browser and I sure as heck don't want to walk them through installing something on whatever machine they're using. I do enough tech support as it is.

    Current plan is to have the web server do it, it's just another thing on my plate that I need to figure out how to do.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I'm a little confused about this. While I've been using RSS feeds for several years, my only experience with RSS feeds is with Inoreader. Will this cause issues with the way that I've been using RSS feeds or will I be unaffected?

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