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[–] 227 points 5 months ago (15 children)

It's the US. Anyone surprised?

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  • [–] 100 points 5 months ago (11 children)

    Well no, they tend to copy a lot from China these days.

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  • [+] 44 points 5 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)
  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    i have my frustration with the Chinese state appartus, but the one thing you can't say about them is that they're incompetent.

    we can get into talks about whether or not the incompetence the modern american governance mechanisms are illusory in service of kleptocracy or not, but ultimately, the American state apparatus is following the same pattern of dynastic rise and fall you see across the nothern hemisphere for the last 16000 years.

    i just hope that for FUCKING once a group will rehash the salt and iron debates and pick salt, like GODDAMMIT why always with the imperialism!?!?

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  • [–] 24 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    I’m starting to believe a lot of the bad we hear about China is at best overblown and at worst completely fucking made up.

    Remember all the articles predicting their doom because they built “ghost cities” and “trains to nowhere” and now they’re all actual cities with employed populations and there is high speed rail everywhere?

    Yeah since 9/11 we’ve only had liars in charge seeing how much they can milk all of us, and apparently America really does have great ties because they’re still honkin and we’re still letting em.

    Anyway since we can’t tell what’s true and what’s a lie thanks to the “state dept” propaganda I’m just gonna go ahead and say that the most advanced country on earth is probably way ahead of the USA.

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    [–] 77 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    There are routers made in US?

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  • [–] 109 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    No. Which is the point. Everything has to be approved manually with no specific criteria so they can arbitrarily make the decisions they want.

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  • [–] 74 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    This tells me any equipment that is classified as acceptable by these requirements is immediately suspect, and should not be permitted to connect to, or communicate with, equipment you need to trust.

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  • [–] 59 points 5 months ago (14 children)

    What happened to small government?

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  • [–] 48 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    I live in probably one of the reddest states, and it's always been hypocrisy. Republicans are lying out of their lower lie holes every fucking time they open their mouths.

    Every single Republican politician and voter is a purely evil person.

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  • [–] 23 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    Politician, sure. But people are easily duped, especially when they're uneducated. That doesn't make them evil, especially when there's a multi-billion dollar disinformation network constantly trying to mislead them.

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  • [–] 23 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    At what point does ignorance cross into willful ignorance? And at what point does willful ignorance become malicious? It’s a blurry line, to be sure.

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  • [–] 16 points 5 months ago

    It crosses into willful ignorance once they reject an empathetic articulation of the information and they become malicious at roughly the same time. Though this is less “becomes” so much as “is revealed to be” i think

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago

    I dont know if I'd say evil but they're definitely uninformed and ignorant.

    They've been fed nothing but lies and propaganda and taught that the other side is evil, and if they're religious it's exactly the same as being in a full on cult with no bearing on reality.

    Sure, some of us like myself were smart enough to realize its a massive grift . not everyone has the brainpower.

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago

    It's always been imaginary. They think that private property is a natural right, so a government with lots of soldiers and police is small.

    The founding fathers loved small government that defended their teensy little slave plantations. They passionately argued about freedom with other rich white men.

    Everyone who honestly wants small government eventually realizes that none was ever necessary at all.

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    [–] 47 points 5 months ago

    Of course they're banning foreign routers. They want all Americans to have only routers with government backdoors. At this point, backdoor-free routers are a threat to 'national security'.

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  • [–] 44 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    This is why open source and open hardware is so important.

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    [–] 44 points 5 months ago

    Every accusation of them is an admission of guilt.

    So stop buying any US made hardware.

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  • [–] 43 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

    There is an exemption for products that the Department of Defense or the Department of Homeland Security have granted "Conditional Approval" after finding these devices do not pose such unacceptable risks. Router makers can apply to the FCC to get on the approved list.

    Wow, what an insane coincidence it's exactly those two departments and no one else. Golly, I wonder why. (Edit: To clarify, if you're going to do this stupid, posturing bullshit, I "get" the DoD because of the NSA, and DHS has CISA. Just really no one else? Seems like consolidating more control.)

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  • [–] 16 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I mean... supply chain hardening has been a concern for most of the three letter agencies (and governments around the world) for years. There are very serious concerns over how basically every NIC comes out of a factory in China and what the implications of that are.

    If DoD actually do have a list of vetted and hardened products, that WOULD be a very good baseline for if you care about security at all. Less so from the US government, but that can then be compared against similar lists from other countries.

    And considering that basically every TLA has the same concerns, if those orgs are willing to spend their budget? DoE and the like ain't gonna complain.

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  • [–] 22 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    I do care about cybersecurity, but I'm well past a point with the Trump administration where it's possible to take even the few good-sounding things coming out of it at face value. I don't believe for a second Trump or anyone in his cabinet values cybersecurity over: jingoistic "Made in America" posturing to his audience, enforcing a monopoly on spying on US citizens, giving as much power as possible to the two departments he's most heavily and illegally abusing, and using this as more "trade war" bullshit where multinational corporations can personally bribe him to get whitelisted.

    I might celebrate this if we had a POTUS who hadn't demonstrated over and over for a decade that everything they do is a ploy to turn the US into a kleptofascist hellscape.

    I agree with you; your concerns are rational. I don't think you or I share them with the Trump administration.

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    [–] 19 points 5 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 19 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

    Welp, so much for OpenWRT on cheap devices designed for routing (even though flashing the firmware to install it probably got rid of any backdoors anyway); now we'll have to resort to OPNSense on overkill PC hardware.

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    [–] 16 points 5 months ago* (7 children)

    So like what router should I be using that isn't going to be spying on me? Been feeling it's time for an upgrade my current ASUS router was a higher end model when I bought it but it is like 8 or 9 years old now

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  • [–] 23 points 5 months ago (6 children)
  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Sorry this article kinda lit a fire under my ass to get a new router, so I've been researching. Was looking into this and it feels like openWRT might be the way for me personally, the simpler and cheaper, while doing all the stuff I need it to do is more appealing to me.

    Also thinking about going with a router that has the longe range 802.11ah HaLow 915mhz, I've got a big house and the wifi is bad in one area. I've also been dabbling in the sub ghz meshtastic and meshcore devices and I'm thinking it could be a fun thing to experiment with.

    Few videos for reference Sub gHz 802.11ah Halow Wifi https://youtu.be/-soMNhNqEVc

    Video that touches on why I think openWRT might be a better fit for me than pfsense or open-ended

    https://youtu.be/XGefV0Rf9QQ

    Let me know yall's thoughts.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago

    There is an element of hypocrisy in all this because American intelligence agencies were previously caught intercepting Cisco-made routers on their way to customers and updating their firmware to deploy espionage tools.

    It's not hypocrisy to try to spy on others while preventing them from spying on you.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    Well, duh, they know how easy is to backdoor those things!

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    [–] 9 points 5 months ago*

    I went ahead and bought some new internet hardware. It sucks to spend money before my gear has died of natural causes, but this might be the last real opportunity to upgrade before backdoors become the norm. If they aren't already.

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